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    I'm not sure why you would not want to contact print on Azo. It will give you the prints that will come closest in feeling to Sudek's best work.

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    Azo

    Who knows maybe I will end up with AZO...but I'm not a big fan of the surface of the paper surface itself or that it is single weight...I really like the surfaces and tone of Agfa 111 and 118 papers and Forte polywarmtone museum weight...plus these papers are readily available for very reasonable prices here...the cost of shipping AZO to Prague plus paying duty and VAT tax would be prohibitive...If I had to go with a contact paper it seems I would be better of with Bergger (even if its not the same look and feel as AZO) at least I can buy it here and not have to pay shipping plus 22% VAT and duty. Perhaps I'm incorrect in assuming that AZO only comes in one paper surface, and weight....Actually In Sudeks later days he was contacting on early versions of the popular Agfa Brovira...and on Forte Graded enlarging paper, but I believe then it was called Forte-Gabor. Azo is beautiful paper but i cant see it working for me on a budget or esthtic level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldh
    ...If I had to go with a contact paper it seems I would be better of with Bergger (even if its not the same look and feel as AZO) at least I can buy it here and not have to pay shipping plus 22% VAT and duty.
    I can get 95% of the print quality I get with the Azo / amidol combination by using Bergger VCNB or VCCB papers in Dektol. I contact print my large format negatives using a Saunders LPL enlarger as a light source. That way I can dial in the contrast I need. The tonality is in many cases just about the equal of Azo and the print color is usually better.

    I've never been a big fan of Bergger's film, but their paper is superb. I've used Agfa's Brovira, Portriga Rapid and Multicontrast Classic papers, Oriental Seagull (old and new), Ilford MG III (ok) and MG IV (the pits) papers and to me Bergger beats them all.

    You owe it to yourself to at least try a 25 sheet package. It seems to me to be the answer to your prayers. I have never tried Bergger's 'contact' paper, which Michael Smith tells me is nothing of the sort. The stuff they sell as enlarging paper is so good (when used with an enlarger light source) that I have no desire to try it.
    Jim

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    Well, certainly if you do not like the surface of Azo, do not use it. We ship Azo regularly all over the world, but overseas shipping is not inexpensive, although we usually ship without insurance and with a very low valuation so that purchasers are spared dutoes and VAT.

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    sounds like an interesting project, I am a big fan of Sudeks work, good luck

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    By the way, why would you not try making the enlarged negs via the Devere unit we were discussing?

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    Hi Bob,
    Never really thought about it...as I mentioned before I am not really up to speed on the process of making enlarged negs or contact printing for that matter...this is new territory for me, I just thought it would be fitting and interesting for this upcoming project. I think I would actually prefer to have somebody who really knows what they're doing to make the enlarged negs for me, at least in the beginning...its not like I would be making 100's...only the ones that will make the final edit, for the eventual show....probably 25 11x14ish images.

    I'm going to investigate the Bergger as well, as I can get them at a good price from Lotus in Austria (very nice people as well)...I agree with you about the Bergger papers they are rather nice...Lotusview sent me a free package of 25 last year to try out.

    Thanks for all the comments everyone...
    s ledem prosim

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldh
    Hi Bob,
    Never really thought about it...as I mentioned before I am not really up to speed on the process of making enlarged negs or contact printing for that matter...this is new territory for me, I just thought it would be fitting and interesting for this upcoming project. I think I would actually prefer to have somebody who really knows what they're doing to make the enlarged negs for me, at least in the beginning...its not like I would be making 100's...only the ones that will make the final edit, for the eventual show....probably 25 11x14ish images.

    I'm going to investigate the Bergger as well, as I can get them at a good price from Lotus in Austria (very nice people as well)...I agree with you about the Bergger papers they are rather nice...Lotusview sent me a free package of 25 last year to try out.

    Thanks for all the comments everyone...
    If you aren't aware of it, Bob Herbst has an excellent article on making enlarged negs on www.unblinkingeye.com. If you don't want to make these yourself, then Jill at "In The Dark" (her screen name here on Apug) makes enlarged negs. She made an 8X10 from a 4X5 camera negative for me. The density range was adjusted in the process of enlarging and was correct for the materials that I use.

    Good luck. Sounds like a wonderful project.

    Donald Miller

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