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    suggestions on a print..

    I have a neg that I really want to get a print out of but it is proving difficult. I had my first try last night without much luck. It consists of a large portion of dramatic sky at sunset in the top 3/4 and the bottom 1/4 or so is beach with a gnarly tree on the shore. The problem is the main area of sky is taking 55secs of exposure which makes the beach and tree black. There IS good neg detail in the beach and tree which prints exactly how I like at about 10seconds of exposure. The problem I'm finding is a large part of this gnarly tree protrudes into the area requiring 55sec, and dodging so far has shown in the final print. I decided to make a print at 55secs, and it is now dry, I will then take an xacto knife and carefully cut out a mask of the tree and beach to use as the dodging tool. Would you say this is the best way to go about it? I've never had to print something where two parts of the scene were tangled and requiring drastic differences in time..

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    Try cutting the dodging mask and see how it works. If you get a halo effect, then you might try a contrast mask. I think we've had a few threads about contrast masking. Donald Miller uses this technique a fair bit. There is also a good description in Ctein's _Post-Exposure_ (I have the 2nd ed.).
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    Although only a beginner in printing, I had a similar situation to yours on my last print (in my gallery, 'Aberaeron'}. I had to expose the lower part of the shot for 12 seconds to bring out detail under a bridge, whereas some buildings which were pastel colours and in the dark part of the print and the sky required 24 seconds. I decided to do two 12 second exposures.
    I used pretty much the method you describe, but instead projected the neg onto card (to save on paper) and drew with pencil the shape of the mask, then cut it out and used it with very small circular motions as I did the two exposures.
    After nine tries I was happy!


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    you can try the cut out and dodging method , I think it will be hard to do,
    I would suggest a split print 0 and 5 . You may want to combine the dodging tool with the split print.

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    SOrry, had to say it.

    Dodging masks work but are a pain to get right. From what I have read about contrast masking it sounds like the way to go. Someday, assuming I hit the lottery I will live in a place where I try all of the cool darkroom stuff I learn here.
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    try "flashing" the paper.
    have your enlarger risen to the very top. use the smallest aperture you can.
    no negative - plain light.
    make a test strip with some coins on, and make a test strip with one or ½ sec interval for each coin....
    then develop. the coins will appear as faint prints, and you chose the one one step shorter than the one you actually can't see...

    then take your print - pre-expose it at the found timing without neg, and then try the timing for the beach....
    I think you'd be surprised.....

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    Rather than cut a dodging maskfrom a print of the same size that you wish the final print to be I'd suggest the following method. Place a few books or print boxes on the base board with the enlager set to the height that will produce the print size you require. Place a piece of white card on top of the pile of boxes and project the image on to it and draw around the area that you are going to dodge. This area will be smaller than the full size image when projected onto the base board. Cut out the shape you have drawn and when the image is projected on to the paper to make the print hold the card mask at the height of the boxes you placed on the base board, it will then be roughly the size of the area in the print you wish to dodge. When dodging move to mask slightly up and down to soften the edges and prevent a halo.
    I often use this method when I need to dodge a difficult area such as you have described.

    Bob Carnie's suggestion to split grade is also good advice for you can dodge on either hard or soft filtration, or both, depending on the fianl contrast you require in the tree trunk. For example if the trunk is underexposed and lacking in contrast on the negative I would dodge out the soft filtration to increase local contrast in the tree trunk.
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    Here I was all excited to add something usefull.. and Les beat me to it! I will add that if you want you can make RC print at the smaller size and chop that up if you want to. I tend to draw the shape as described by Les. Remember which half you want if your doing a dodge or burn cause how you cut out your mask can matter (make rough cuts on the bit you really wanted.. I've done that more than once!)

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    You may also try dye dodging or even dodging with vellum paper where you have darkened the sheet in the parts you want dodged with pencil. For contact printing of the two I think dye dodging would be the best option. Get a clear piece of film and tape it to your negative, in the parts you want dodged you can fill in with a colored marker like those kids use, you can use different colors to increase or decrease the dodge. You will be surprised how well it works for contact prints.

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    sorry guys should have mentioned it's an 8x10 contact print.. But the cutout that I do make I can make it a little smaller so I can get some slight motion going. I am also interested in the other suggestions. I have decided to take my time with this print and keep at it. I may have more questions. Thanks!

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