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    Retro POP paper, fixing and toning

    Did any of you tried the print out paper sold by Retro Photographic ltd.? I gave it a try during this weekend, and the paper itself seems fine. I guess it is a celloidine and not an albumen.

    The problem comes with fixing. As it is known, the fixing actually bleaches the print, but their instruction say "the original tone will re-appear". Well, thanks, how???

    I guess that toning is the key, right? However, I tried with a final toning in Kodak Selenium Rapid, which with my astonishment bleached the print even further. I understand that gold toning is probably the right thing to do, but it's damn expensive, and all the products I see around seems more like a surrogate of gold toning than the filologic gold toner.

    Before asking to the guys to ship some of their specific gold toner, and leave half of my salary to the Royal Mail, has someone ever tried another (successfull) process?
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    POP

    Haven't personally done it but at the View Camera Conference last spring saw with my own eyes POP+Platinum toner. Will knock your socks off
    I have the formula back home where I'm not right now but someone here will chime in hopefully.
    Best, Peter

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    Now, that's even more expensive.
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    Hi Marco,

    I haven't used that brand of POP but have used the one that Chicago Albumen Works markets in the US as Centennial. With that, you expose, wash off excess silver, tone and then fix. The fix, in my experience, always bleaches the print, with rapid fix being far more of a degradation than regular fix. They recommend plain Kodak fix with or without the hardener as you desire. For quick prints or proofs, I just print heavier and use diluted TF4.

    If you get gold toner already diluted (Centennial recommends .2%) it isn't THAT expensive. The alkaline ingredients are inexpensive. I found Torino one of the most beautiful areas I've ever been and suspect you can get photos well worth the gold chloride! When I was in Australia, Bostick & Sullivan mailed gold chloride to me from the US to overseas with no problem.

    Cheers,
    Richard

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    Thanks for your answer (I agree, Torino is gorgeous).

    I see I was on the right track. I am using pure Sodium Thiosulphate in water. Then gold toning really makes the difference, huh?

    Well, will write to the folks to ask if they have some in stock (SIGH!). Does gold toner, at least, keep for a long time in an airtight brown glass bottle?
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    Toner

    Buy the gold chloride and make it yourself. Either the gold chloride un dissolved or in solution will last longer then you or me.....by the way expensive is only relative to what you want get out your artwork.....
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    Marco,

    I believe that Kodak Rapid Selenium has more fix in it as well. I haven't used it in a while but believe that is correct. Mainly, you need to get oriented towards printing more darkly to allow for some bleaching, then intensifying density back via the toning. You can check this:http://www.albumenworks.com/popcolorsequence.html
    for some pictures of the toning variations over time.

    Cheers,
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    Fixer in the toner, huh? That would explain many things...

    Thanks for the interesting link!
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    I've used this paper a lot, and the way to go is as has been recommended, wash, gold tone, then fix in plain hypo. I would have to say that the image doesn't so much as bleach as just change color (wildly) when processed like this. Print so the highlights have a definite tone, the borders of the image will seem to reverse almost due to the heavy exposure, but they will be just fine once all is done. I use the toning formula recommended by Chicago Albumen Works (not in Chicago, not Albumen, but all of their guidelines are right on...) I find it does last a long time and its not too pricey, all things considered. On the plus side you don't waste a lot of paper, compared to regular silver printing.

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    I have used Retro POP. Nice but as you say it bleaches out a lot. I tend to really overexpose them, and when you fix is Sodium Th........... it goes a nice tone - albeit a little light. I have left it in the S.T. for 20 mins before now and it looked quite nice. However, I am going down the Plat. toning line - as soon as the toner arrives fron B&S.
    Would love to see your prints when they are done :-)

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