I think Jay has a very valid point about testing the material before investing in it. I would require test material to make the kind of investment M&P are looking for. I would never even come close to considering investing thousands in a product that I can't even see, feel or try. The facts are that some manufacturing is sloppy and how can you feel confident when you don't even know who's manufacturing the paper? EKC has some of the most stringent quality control out there. It seems to me the whole process is sketchy and questionable. They can't even afford to have a sample made and actually this first run is a sample run, according to what I have read. The product will require manipulations to make it right! You're counting on getting a perfect product on the first sample run? Michael have you put the mechanical emulsion on paper yet using the machinery that will be used in manufacture? I would think they would have looked for investors along time ago to support the production of this product. Why wait until the last minute? You must buy now or ELSE. Anyway it is great to see a new chloride paper possibly coming to market but the circumstances are a bit funky.