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    Camera fairs are probably the best bet. Existing hinges could always be replaced if they turn out to be inadequate.
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    Save yourself the trouble and buy a vaccum frame. Contact frames are ok up to 8x10, above that they become a PITA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge
    Save yourself the trouble and buy a vaccum frame. Contact frames are ok up to 8x10, above that they become a PITA.
    I agree with Jorge 100% A vacuum frame prints sharper and as he said over negatives over 8x10 become difficult to keep sharp.

    A used vacuum frame plus a new vacuum pump will cost about the same as a new quality split back frame.
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    I hate to disagree with such knowledgeable people but I'm quite happy with my old 'no name' 11x14 inch split-back frame which cost me under $20 ten or fifteen years ago in San Luis Obispo. Now I need a bigger one (12x15, though I'll probably have it made 12x16 to suit the paper) I'm merely wondering whom to ask to make it.

    Why should a vacuum frame be sharper than a well-made split-back? I ask in a genuine spirit of inquiry, never having used one, but I can't see why it would be if the split-back is well made. Nor can I quite see why a piano hinge is essential if the workmanship is good enough.

    The other great attraction of split-back is printing by inspection, which must surely be rather more difficult with vacuum backs, even with pin-register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlRadford
    A friend brought one along for the course plt/pd course we just did with Kerik. If his was indicative of the standard I would steer well clear - very poor design and build quality. Keep an eye out on ebay for any of the older printing frames!
    Yeah, that frame was crap wasn't it Carl. Something like 12 x 16 inch and made with thin pine. I have a 11x14 from the veiw camera store which is well built from maple. It cost a small fortune in shipping though, but it's a one off purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks
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    Why should a vacuum frame be sharper than a well-made split-back? I ask in a genuine spirit of inquiry, never having used one, but I can't see why it would be if the split-back is well made. Nor can I quite see why a piano hinge is essential if the workmanship is good enough.
    Because a VF exerts even pressure accros the negative paper sandwhich everytime. No worry about mis-loads or problems associated with using a goldenrod or ruby lith mask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks
    The other great attraction of split-back is printing by inspection, which must surely be rather more difficult with vacuum backs, even with pin-register.
    That's a looser way to print, IMO. A sure road to achieving non-uniform and not having repeatable results, especially with processes that have a humidity factor. Print by time not by inspection for fine prints.
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    I guess contact printing was not covered very well in the 50 books.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by donbga
    Because a VF exerts even pressure accros the negative paper sandwhich everytime. No worry about mis-loads or problems associated with using a goldenrod or ruby lith mask.



    That's a looser way to print, IMO. A sure road to achieving non-uniform and not having repeatable results, especially with processes that have a humidity factor. Print by time not by inspection for fine prints.
    You no doubt have more experience than I, but I am surprised at the former, and I'm not quite sure what you mean about 'mis-loads'.

    As for the latter, yes, it does reduce repeatability, but I can't say that worries me too much; a modest degree of variation is for me part of the attraction of the few alternative processes I have tried, but then, few of them have been humidity-dependent. In the latter case I suspect I might feel differently. But with PoP and silver-iron prints, another part of the attraction is working as people did 100 or more years ago; I use an artificial UV source for convenience, sometimes, but I prefer daylight.

    Then again, many of my favourite prints from the past -- Roger Fenton, for example -- are probably not what you would classify as 'fine'.

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    I have a web site? no shit! can you tell me where it is? As to my pictures, you are welcome to see more than 5 at the APUG gallery, with many more to come......

    Gall me?!? Once again you flatter yourself, I was just wondering since you disagreed right off the bat with Don and I that maybe you had so much more experience than both of us who regularly print 8x10 and above that it must have been written somewhere in the 50 books.....but I guess this was just like the critiques. Much ado about nothing........

    SO let me see, I am only a good photographer and know what I am talking about if I have published a book or have a web site? This one is just to easy to take, so I will be kind to you this one time... cheers back to you bubba....

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks
    Actually, maybe it is worth arguing with Jorge.

    Jorge, you are constantly sniping at the fact that I have had 50 books published. I assume it galls you as much that I have a regular weekly column in the UK and have written thousands of articles over the last 30 years; in short, that enough people like my work to pay me for it.

    What, by contrast, have you to show? I could find only five pictures -- admittedly very good ones -- on your web-site. If there are more, perhaps you would be kind enough to point me in their direction.

    When you have published a single book, or created a more comprehensive web-site, so we can all enjoy the fruits of your genius, perhaps your comments will have more weight.

    Cheers,

    Roger

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    Dear Jorge,

    Well, something must gall you, or you would not go out of your way to be so rude and unpleasant.

    In the contact printing post I admitted that you had more experience than I, and asked why you made the assertion you did. Don made a reasoned reply; you simply sniped back, as you so often do.

    Incidentally, I seem to recall that you are among those who disparage 'experts', defined as those who say, "I know so much more about this than you do that your views are worthless." But of course that wasn't what you meant in this case, was it?

    Cheers,

    Roger

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