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    No, it's not the meds or the glasses.

    It looks like Ryan "McPhoto X" started the thread and asked that it be deleted, since it makes more sense to discuss it on the Azo forum than on APUG, and Sean went along with Ryan's request. The relevant thread on the Azo forum is--

    http://www.michaelandpaula.com/mp/Az...GID=8621&CID=7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer
    David, thanks but no. There was a thread started which updated us about the work of Michael and Paula re- Azo. It was in the contact printing section and seems to have vanished.

    A search did not reveal the recently started thread. Since I am old and prone to memory lapses, and seeing no information about deleted or moved threads, I immediately looked into my meds, what I was drinking and whether I was going insane.

    Since these don't 'seem' to be applicable, then I assume it must be one of you guys playing slight of hand. Of course, something new may be afoot, but since I just got new glasses 2 weeks ago, I really am not sure what it could be.

    Thanks.

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    Thought I saw that too.........glad I'm not the only one!

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    I don't believe that making your own silver chloride paper, would be even nearly as good as the real thing. All of the charateristics of AZO I like, are more then just what the emultion is made of. Things like the fine glossy surface quality, single weight, and the sharpness of AZO could not really be obtained with an alt. process printing style.

    By the way. G3 AZO is gone. go visit the AZO forum for more info. The thread started here on APUG had to be deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    No, it's not the meds or the glasses.

    It looks like Ryan "McPhoto X" started the thread and asked that it be deleted, since it makes more sense to discuss it on the Azo forum than on APUG, and Sean went along with Ryan's request. The relevant thread on the Azo forum is--

    http://www.michaelandpaula.com/mp/Az...GID=8621&CID=7
    David, I disagree with McPhotoX. This is important to APUGGERS!

    It is an issue that will become more pressing as the situation with digital progresses and this forum should address the issues as they come up.

    But then, maybe I'm getting to wrapped up in it.

    PE

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    We can certainly discuss the issue on APUG in this thread, or you can start one of your own.

    I didn't have any role in deleting the thread, but I can see the point that it makes more sense to respond to Michael Smith's post on Michael and Paula's forum than it does here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer
    David, I disagree with McPhotoX. This is important to APUGGERS!

    It is an issue that will become more pressing as the situation with digital progresses and this forum should address the issues as they come up.

    But then, maybe I'm getting to wrapped up in it.

    PE
    I agree also. It is very important that it be discussed here on APUG. A good portion of AZO users are here on APUG, and many do not check the AZO forum that often. However, it was requested to me that I have that thread removed. I dont see anything wrong will still discussing the matter tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McPhotoX
    I don't believe that making your own silver chloride paper, would be even nearly as good as the real thing. All of the charateristics of AZO I like, are more then just what the emultion is made of. Things like the fine glossy surface quality, single weight, and the sharpness of AZO could not really be obtained with an alt. process printing style.

    By the way. G3 AZO is gone. go visit the AZO forum for more info. The thread started here on APUG had to be deleted.

    Well, I must say that I can coat on glossy baryta SW FB and exactly match G3 Azo for speed and density range. The biggest problem is getting Baryta SW FB paper, not making the emulsion. One maker of SW FB glossy wants a minimum order of $10,000. They sent me 12 8x10 sheets for evaluation though.

    I respectfully disagree with deleting the thread. Sorry. That, to me, is a form of censorship in the interests of some higher goal that seems undefined or tenuouus to me but labeled 'consolidation'. I don't visit the Azo forum.

    Tsk, tsk, shame on me, but with trying to actually rescue you Azo lovers, I just don't have the time. Which do you want? Azo work alike emulsion or whatever.....?

    I spent my day trying to improve coating quality of 8x10 sheets of that 'so called' Azo paper of mine and next week will be working on 11x14 sheets of the Azo work alike.

    To paraphrase a saying "make it and they will buy it". Well, I can make it all I want, but I don't want to sell it. I'm going to give it to you and let you do what you want with it. In the mean-time, I'll be too busy to hunt for Azo threads all over the internet.

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    Someone designing and producing limited runs of paper or selling "kits" of uncoated paper and chemistry and coating tools is the only way a similar paper is going to again be available.

    AZO is now officially dead. For most people GR2 is not acceptable for final prints and it sound slike all the GR3 is now accounted for and no longer available (except from Ebay sellers unloading it for high prices)

    While a applaud and support Michael and Paula's efforts to come up with a similar paper, I noticed in their post that it depends on investors that were interested. My experience being around a lot of small businesses is that unless they can see a a pretty good chance of getting their money back they will not pony up the funds. I hope I am wrong. But the numbers involved to get a limited paper run would seem to involve getting LF photographers to pony up a sizable chunk of change to make a minimum purchase to prefill the run order. I just don't see many people coming forward with $500 or $1000 dollars unless they have a chance to test the paper first.

    Like I said I hope I am wrong and that they can get a paper made that works for everyone. In the meantime I think working with the ideas that PE is exploring is the prudent thing to do for those wanting a chloride contact paper.
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    David I hardly ever go to the azo forum. I was surprised that it got deleted. Many here don't go to the azo forum just like I don't. Why should we have to go to another forum to discuss a valid issue that also concerns those here? We don't go to the large format forum to discuss LF instead of doing it here. There are many more examples like that, so at least to me, I think the thread should be brought back to where it started. This is just my opinion.
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    I was all set to order my first box of AZO for my first crack @ contact printing in 11x14, and now this. I'm gonna try the Kentmere Bromide paper I was considering earlier this month. What a bummer this is, I hope Michael and Paula can find investors.
    Mike

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