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    POP ?

    Any news about Centennial POP ?

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    In case you missed it, I got a little info about Centennial POP at Photoplus--

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum56/5...tml#post698160
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    Thanks David. 2009... :-(
    Painful.
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    The Demise of Printing out Paper

    Just read this on the Albumen Works Website. So much for Harman's commitment.

    "Despite assurances from a year ago, we regret to report that Harman Technology (the company that bought and shut down the Kentmere production facility in December, 2007) has informed us that they will not be able to produce Centennial™ printing-out paper. Unfortunately, in the current economic climate, the cost of procuring the Centennial™ POP formula and the R&D required to bring it to market through another manufacturer prohibits us from attempting to re-establish this product.

    To our knowledge, there is no POP being manufactured today. Introduced in Munich in 1884, it has been one of the most long-lived printing products in the history of photography.

    We thank you for supporting our efforts to maintain POP over the last 2 decades, and we are sorry this beautiful paper will no longer be available to you.

    Chicago Albumen Works
    1/8/09"

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    That's unfortunate. Here's the link to the CAW site--

    http://www.albumenworks.com/printing-out-paper.html

    My understanding when I spoke with Simon Galley was that they were trying to overcome the technical problem of maintaining the high temperature necessary for producing this emulsion while using ultrafiltration, which is necessary for Harman's coating machines (and apparently was not necessary on Kentmere's machine). I guess they couldn't do it.

    Maybe it's time for a resurgence in albumen printing.
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    Time to get the old egg beater back out. This is sad news. I hate it when we lose a paper. I do enjoy making my own albumen paper but POP was so convenient.

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    Wow, that is a surprise. When I bought a box from Bostick & Sullivan not long ago, they only had two boxes left, and I got one of them. Whoever bought the final box was, apparently, an unwitting participant in history. At the time, I had the distinct impression that they fully expected to be getting more stock. Centennial POP provided my first printing and toning experiences years ago, and I'll miss it, for sure.

    Cheers, Richard

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    In another thread, Simon Galley said it was a matter of reengineering the UF wash system to run at 80F. I wonder whats up with this. It should be possible to wash by other means, either noodle or ISO for example, and there are the methods that Kentmere used. Surely something can be done without too much cost.

    PE

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    I thought it was 80C, and my understanding was that UF was important for the emulsion to work with their coating machines, so other methods wouldn't work. Does that sound right to you?
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    Yeah, 80C. Sorry. Thanks David.

    As for UF, other wash methods work and can be coated. BTDT! I think it is a budget/market problem. Not enough ROI for the R&D.

    PE

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