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    I need to went too.
    Honestly i can't belive anyone on this forum would even consider reading that piece or C...
    I was given a subscription last year and had a chance to look at what i would consider one of the best magazines to deter anyone from thinking about photography.
    There is nothing in dept about anything in that magazine, it is about filling up as much space as possible (Apart from the advertizing) in as little time as possible. Paper would not make it to a public restroom, what is it that make serious photographers buy this magazine? Is it just old habbits?


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    The real sadness, for me, comes when I open one of my file cabinets and re-read my saved copies of Camera and Darkroom. Those old issues are certainly not without their faults, but they continue to improve when compared with the abysmal quality of Photographic magazines of today in general. C&D, although dated (!) is/ was at least an order of magnitude ahead, then - and now, rapidly approaching the second.

    Oh, if only someone could resurrect that Magazine - Call it "Darkroom and Camera", or "Vintage Photography" or whatever the hell would fly - only with the same format, direction, contributors, philosophies ....

    Great suffering ZOT!! (with apologies to B.C. and Johnny Hart - where ever he may be ...) - I miss that magazine!
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    Sadly, it used to be a great magazine. Years ago.
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    I read the article and it was a bad written article. The OP magazine is all about digital now. Even most of the "showcase" images are recorded on film like David mentioned. I guess they have to go with the "main stream" in order to survive.

    I don't like to read it, but do I have a choice? Emusion comes out 4 issue a year, lenswork is a more enjoyable mag then the other but it going down the way that I don't think I will like it anymore.

    Have you guys ever try to submit any articles to the OP magazine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highpeak View Post
    I don't like to read it, but do I have a choice?
    That is why I read Outdoor Photography (UK). It isn't digital free, but there is none of the obvious animosity towards film that you see in Outdoor Photographer.
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    When Camera and Darkroom was canceled they provided Outdoor Photog as a substitute. What a rip.

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    It seems to me that APUG could fill some of the void. There is so much knowledge here and alot of people who are interested in helping others learn photography. Who needs OP?

    Awhile back, someone posted a video of himself using an iron to dry mount prints that I thought was really well done. Why not have all sorts of those video clips showing any number of things: split contrast printing, RH Designs timers, different paper developers such as Amidol, alternative processes, use of large format cameras, etc. Topics which generate the most questions on the forum. Seems to be a core group of people here ho could do such things well. I would be willing to pay for that as I assume many would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harrigan View Post
    When Camera and Darkroom was canceled they provided Outdoor Photog as a substitute. What a rip.
    They did the same thing when _Photovision_ went under. I said I wasn't interested and got a refund for the rest of my subscription.
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    You have to realize that many of these magazines are in a death spiral. They long ago "sold their soul" by turning their editorial pages over to the advertising department in a desperate effort to stanch the subscription drain. The ad guys said "sell digital" and that's what they all do.

    I gave up on PopPhoto a while ago - and yet they kept sending me mags long after my subscription expired.

    Just let them die - they don't deserve any tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    You have to realize that many of these magazines are in a death spiral. They long ago "sold their soul" by turning their editorial pages over to the advertising department in a desperate effort to stanch the subscription drain. The ad guys said "sell digital" and that's what they all do.

    I gave up on PopPhoto a while ago - and yet they kept sending me mags long after my subscription expired.

    Just let them die - they don't deserve any tears.
    I'm not sure that is true. Realistically, we are more likely to die than they are. I hope there are enough film based, or "silver based" photographers left to sustain a market that can adapt to these market changes.
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