What really pi**es me off is that the same 'film users just need to be convinced that digital is good' attitude is now appearing in the magazine.
Journos who think that need their heads banging together and 'film users use film because they want to' tattooed on their foreheads.
Andy I am convinced that digital is good, I am also convinced digital is NOT for me. I understand your irritation, prehaps we need a tee shirt ( insert expletive of choise ) digi I'm with film.
The DSLR listing seems to be universilly hated by APUGers
I think B&WP could do worse than follow the example of a British Hi-Fi magazine called Hi-Fi World. They don't do the ubiqutous tables of Hi-Fi they do listings.
It might be worth outlining what this magazine is all about. Hi-Fi world does the normal CD players and even computer audio, but it also does entire issues on analog audio; record spinners, valve amps the lot. It will also review 20 old year old equipment, comparing it with the modern equivalent. It is actually a fantastic magazine.
Anyway, this magazine does not do tables listing the various features of the latest equipment, instead it has a listing of equipment old and new. But, here comes the rub, only of equipment that it thinks is any good. So, you'll have a 30 year old set of Quad speakers sharing the same page the latest set from Martin Logan. So, they list the load speakers alphabetically and then give a short description of the item saying what they think is so good about, how much it will set you back (new, or if no longer produced pre-owned), and also whether or not they think it's up to modern standards.
I think this sort of thing would go down far better with B&WP readers. You could have a Leica M3 next to a Leica M8, next to a Canon A1, next to a Canon D whatever. As long a the camera was considered good enough to be listed. Of course, people would disagree with the content. "Why isn't xxx included", but I think that's part of the fun.
One thing I see they could do quite easily, is if you are going to do a DSLR listing, then list 35mm cameras as well.
Here, here. I don't mind the DSLR/RF listing IF the 35mm SLR and RF cameras were also included (note the only NEW 35mm cameras seem to be rangefinders, and yes I have got one.
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The 'Photography Books 2007/8' insert went straight in the shredder when I saw it was just page after page of books about how to press buttons on digigizmos. Even this month's Calumet add is nothing but digicrap. 'New Releases', more digicrap. A four page article by someone justifying why they gave up film for computers. 'Digital for beginners'... Even the Agenda pages were 50% ads for digitoys.
I was thinking the same, with a heavy heart. I know the adverts pay quite a bit to the mag but compact flash readers get included in 'new releases' it's going the way of the other glossies.
However, it is still my favourite 'photography' mag, I just hope does not increase it's digital coverage any more than it has done - plenty of digital coverage everywhere else.
On a digital note I would like to see an indepth review on the Microtek M1 scanner - whenever that appears -but could do without the GX100 test next month
Here, here. I don't mind the DSLR/RF listing IF the 35mm SLR and RF cameras were also included (note the only NEW 35mm cameras seem to be rangefinders, and yes I have got one.
I just bought a new Nikon F6, and I know Canon is still making film cameras as well. Those could be listed; it wouldn't take much space and would let people know they are still avaible. I can't help but wonder how many people get digital cameras because they think they can't get film cameras anymore.
Additionally, I notice on the masthead of the magazine it says "Dedicated to the Monochrome Photographer" (at least the issue I have in front of me does - Aug 2006). Their sister publication, Outdoor Photographer, also says "Film" on the masthead. 35mm cameras are film and they are used for monochrome!!!
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Have now read this months mag, and Les's coments, will bow to his knowlage of the man and see what develops. There is however one change that would please me greatly, IF we have to have the digi camera listings can they please be printed on the reverse of one of the full page cannon adds and not a page of an article, this way I can remove the page and my biggest sourse of irritation with the mag. This change can be done before the next print run and will give us the option to remove or not depending on your preferance.
Ironicaly the Fugi add on the back page, " Ever feel like your digital SLR is missing something? My imediate thought was FILM.
Regards Paul.
LOL..well said ! Listings of currently available FB papers would be great too. Also maybe you could get Martin Reed from Silverprint to write some pieces for the mag, as he really knows his monochrome onions. As for people moving from film to digi, why don't some of you who've gone the other way submit some articles?
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Recieved my copy of B&W this week. I read every interesting bit in about 5 minutes. The "go over to digital articals" do not contain any usefull information for even a digital shooter. The are just anecdotal. The DSLR listing is nothing short of insulting. How can anyone think that readers consider this anything more than effortless pagefilling, every month more or less the same list, while new additions to such list are advertised in the same magazine in a not-to-be-missed fashion anyway.
Me personally could also do without the articals of Jerry Lebens, who has forgotten there are analog photographers, since he has gone digi himself. This was, I think, most obvious in his artical about the usefullness of a octagonal softbox in one of the latest issues. In stating that he couldn't be arssed to measure light since his digicam does this for him, he rendered this artical rather useless for analog shooters, dismissing them as serious public for the magazine.
The anounced content for the next issue doesn't install much hope, an artical on tradtional technique discussing new digital papers????
I'm in the middle of a 2 year subscribtion so I'll be around for a while to see were this goes. For now I'm not giving in to the temptation to ask my money back, but this is not what I signed up for....
After reading this thread I went out and bought the November issue, having never read the magazine before.
Sure, some of the content is not interesting to me. No different to pretty much any other magazine on any subject - but there was enough there for me to consider a subscription even though I have no interest in reading about d******. Will make a decision about subscribing after reading the December issue.
After reading this thread I went out and bought the November issue, having never read the magazine before.
Sure, some of the content is not interesting to me. No different to pretty much any other magazine on any subject - but there was enough there for me to consider a subscription even though I have no interest in reading about d******. Will make a decision about subscribing after reading the December issue.
Ian
As with all things Ian, it's always best to make up your own mind on these things.
-but could do without the GX100 test next month
..well said !
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