THIS MONTHS UK B&W MAG

[Fintan]

I was wondering if this thread has sortof gone beyone its sell by date. We are all in favour of more film photography, some want zero digital, some can live with a little. Nearly all hate the dSLR listings. Everyone wants their copy yesterday.

Can anyone with some positive suggestions or wishes please post into this thread .....

http://www.apug.org/forums/forum56/4...-wishlist.html

Wasn't it Ghandi that said, be the change you want to see.

[John Lawrence]

Sorry, I don't think that the thread is past its sell by date. If you read through the previous posts, you will see that there are many positive suggestions and wishes for what people want to see in the magazine. In fact, what you request in the preamble to your new thread has already been covered in this thread - i.e. what people want to see in Black and White Photography magazine.

Regards,

John

[Fintan]

Yes John, I have followed the thread since last sept, it's a thread I am very interested in. I have seen several good suggestions but I feel these are being drowned out, and at over 500 replies and nearly 30,000 views, I dont think its unreasonable to split the thread off into a wish-list.

I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone that has posted, many of whom I highly respect.

[John Lawrence]

Fintan,

Fair enough. I just didn't see the point in starting a new thread regurgitating information that is already available on this thread. Information which David Corfield and the team paid scant regard to in the first place - hence the number of posts (or criticisms as you say) on this thread.

You can always try though.

Wasn't it Homer Simpson that said, trying is the first step towards failure

John

[David_Corfield]

Information which David Corfield and the team paid scant regard to in the first place

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!!!

[tim_walls]

Originally Posted by David_Corfield

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!!!

I suggest you don't rise to it, David...

[John Lawrence]

Originally Posted by tim_walls

I suggest you don't rise to it, David...

Tim,

The point I was making was: would there be so many posts on this thread from so many disgruntled people if David and the team had taken on board what was said here? I think this is a valid point, and was made without any intention to goad David into a reply.

Oh well, looks like I'm off GMC publications Xmas card list - as well as there Black and white photography magazine subscription list!

John

[pentaxuser]

David. Someone could try and list all the +ve suggestions made here on APUG since the thread began which might take a lot of effort and time OR probably quicker you could list those +ve suggestions you've gleened( I suspect a somewhat ltd no. in your opinion based on your whaaaat! reaction) and tell us the status on them. This is bound to trigger those "hidden" suggestions APUGers believe they have made already. That may be the quickest way to get into the +ve suggestion mode.

I'll start it off if you like. I mentioned an article by Peter Hogan on Prescysol based on such things as how did he arrive at it, what's his non acid stop based on, etc. He or another contributor might develop two sets of negs of identical shots in different devs and demonstrate where Prescysol improves things. OK it could be construed as advertising but there are ways of ensuring it isn't simply self promotion but has genuine information. Anyway a simple article on new v old Tmax or any new development could equally be construed the same way but most, I feel, wouldn't construe it as such.

Incidentally I should add to my earlier post that if economic needs must, I wouldn't have a problem with an increased digi content as long as it wasn't at the expense of analogue. If the magazine simply gets bigger and fatter because of this well so be it - I'll live with that.

It's the fear that analogue will be left to wither on the vine that prevents my subscription. I once subscribed to AP and saw my money wasted in a very short time.

Thanks

pentaxuser

[Stoo Batchelor]

I'll start it off if you like. I mentioned an article by Peter Hogan on Prescysol based on such things as how did he arrive at it, what's his non acid stop based on, etc. He or another contributor might develop two sets of negs of identical shots in different devs and demonstrate where Prescysol improves things.

Been done P.U, by les McLean.

Stoo

[Whatadame]

Originally Posted by David_Corfield

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!!!

Hopping on the bandwagon late.

I'm of the opinion that Black and White is still one of the best resources available for a film photographer. Are they also showing digital? Sure. Do I pay much attention to those articles? No, but occasionally they have some information that I find valuable. Also, I recognize that more and more shooters are either switching over to digi or shoot both. What's wrong with serving the photography community as a whole? Like a television show you don't like, if it doesn't interest you, skip over that part.

I can tell you that when I'm at the local college and some nOOb is asking where to find information that will help them to become a better darkroom photographer, I ALWAYS suggest this magazine. And being in the U.S. we pay a premium for it, so it's a bit of a 'sell' to tell a kid to spend $10-12 on a single issue.

Why on earth would we want to alienate the young shooters who've never shot film? A magazine that serves both communities, that has good articles that show what you can do in a darkroom, that can bring in people who may never have considered that there is a world beyond Photoshop.

Now Photography Monthly has lost my business--they went too far to digital, and I lost interest. I still flip through it at the newstand, and if there is something of value to me in it, then I buy it. If not, I don't. But I don't recommend it anymore to the nOObs.

Black and White Photography is still an excellent resource, and an excellent way to introduce people to the darkroom.