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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambar View Post
    Thanks everybody for the input! I think I got the idea..

    And have every intention to start getting some practice right away!

    One of the things you will find out pretty quickly if you stick with it is that "by the chart" is just a starting point.

    There is one thing that really helped me "get" flash exposure; printing the main subject (the one lit by the flash unit) to look normal while completely ignoring the background.

    This does three things;
    1- it allows you to see that the subject can look normal when the flash is done well,
    2- it allows you to see which way you need to adjust the chart, if the background is too dark the flash is too strong, and
    3- it allows you to see how the direction of the light affects your subject. Get an extension cord for your flash and you can then move it off center and that will make a huge difference in how "normal" or "right" your subject looks, in the real world the light rarely comes from the camera's viewpoint and done well this eliminates the goofy outlining shadow on the wall.
    Mark Barendt, Beaverton, OR

    "We do not see things the way they are. We see things the way we are." Anaïs Nin

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    So if per the chart you set your camera at say F8 with a film EI of 100 to place the subject properly when 8' from the camera, then you would them adjust shutter time to place the background properly per your meter.
    Keep in mind the limitation of synch speed with the FM2n is 1/250 or below. Above that you will have partially exposed frames. For experience, I'd shoot a frame at each higher speed to see this effect.

    Not that anyone here has EVER used the wrong synch speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambar View Post
    Thanks MattKing!

    So underexposing by one stop and flashing normal would equal a half stop over exposure of the subject correct? Subject would get half the light it needs from ambient light and all the light it needs from the flash.
    I know the half stop over exposure is tolerable. I just want to know if my rationale pans out..
    Ambar, why don't you think this way?

    Privided that the subject you are going to shoot is evenly lit. There's no shadow nor highlight in this case. It's like you are going to shoot a wall that is lit by the sun in daytime using flashlight fill. In this case, you will get a picture which is about 1/2 stops overexposed. However, it can be still reasonablly tolerable even if you shoot with a slide film. That is because in this case there's no highlight in your picture. 1/2 stops of overexposure is safely within the film's latitude, which is usually around +2.3~-2.5 stops with the slide films. So, the overexposure only matters if there exists some highlight areas in the field.

    Now you are going to shoot a more realistic subject that has both highlight and shodow areas with it next. However, everyting is still at the same distance for simplicity in this case. You determine the camera's exposure setting according to the ambient light. The meter reads around +0 stop on the main area you are going to shoot, the meter also reads +2.5 stops on the highlight area and -3 on the shadow area in this case. And you use fill flash with -1 stop setting. Do you think the highlight area will become +3.5 stops overexposed by the flashlight fill? - It is not likely, the highlight area remains almost unchanged at +2.5 stops overexposure.

    The thing is, you just can't add the stops when culculating exposure. You need to add them by their percentage figures.

    +3.0 stops -> 800%
    +2.5 stops -> 560%
    +2.0 stops -> 400%
    +1.5 stops -> 280%
    +1.0 stops -> 200%
    +0.5 stops -> 140%
    +0 stop -> 100%
    -0.5 stops -> 70%
    -1.0 stops -> 50%
    -1.5 stops -> 35%
    -2.0 stops -> 25%
    -2.5 stops -> 17.5%
    -3.0 stops -> 12.5%

    So in the case of "highlight+2.5 / main subject+0 / shadow-3.0", the outcome will be...,

    highlight : ambient light 560%(+2.5 stops) + flash fill 50%(-1.0 stop)
    => outcome 610% (less than +2.7stops; almost unchanged)

    main area : ambient light 100%(+0 stop) + flash fill 50%(-1.0 stop)
    => outcome 150 % (about +0.5 stops)

    shadow: ambient light 12.5%(-3 stops) + flash fill 50%(-1.0 stop)
    => 62.5% (about -2/3 stops)

    You can see that the fill affects more on the shadow than on the highlight. This is why people say "Flash fill is for controlling the shadow (contrast of the picture)".

    Sorry for my bad English,


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    Can you spend $20 on an ebay Sunpak 422/433 or even a 222? Actual auto and more reliable manual

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