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    yeah the french has good taste in wine and so does in the use of shadows---see the works of Jeanoup Sieff.


    Here is my latest photo with Hollywood style of lighting with a french actress; I have exceeded image quota. More photos at Modelmayhem:

    http://modelmayhem.com/pics.php?id=451833
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    Quote Originally Posted by guy catelli View Post
    update. i learned from ETC's website -- http://www.etcconnect.com/home.asp --
    interestingly, she strongly recommended the Altman Fresnel's instead. she explained that that as the ETC Source 4 PARNels (couldn't they have thought of a more awkward name?) go to the widest angle, a dark area starts to form in the center of the beam.

    she went so far as to have the in-house crew set up one of each so as to demonstrate (can you imagine this happening at Adorama or B&H? -- chuckling). the upshot is that i was totally impressed in favor of the ETC's instead of the Altman's.

    i'm not sure i could even see what the heck she was talking about regarding the dark spot in the center of the ETC beam at full wide angle. but what was totally obvious was that the ETC's beam was way whiter than the Altaman's, as well as way more evenly distributed.

    so, right now the tentative plan is to get 3 PARNels, and the LEKO -- the LEKO so i can finally cast a 'venetian' blind shadow on the model (woot!).
    ETC ellipsoidals are great stage lights..you will need pipe clamps to rig them or improvise with superclamps on stand mount position. They are hard light producing very sharp shadows. The framing shutters are super cool device. I have never heard of the central dark spot problem. It could happen to some open face fixtures though.

    Altman fresnel is not as well built as Arri, Mole, Peppers..etc. I got a Mole Tweenie II 650W a while ago...it is very nice built but I hatre their old fashion barndoor design. It sucks when you try to insert wire scrim into the slot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlo View Post
    ETC ellipsoidals are great stage lights..you will need pipe clamps to rig them or improvise with superclamps on stand mount position...
    I don't have any ETCs, but I converted a stage ellipsoidal spot pipe mounting by simply bolting a 1-1/8" (baby) spigot through the hole in the yoke. For lighter lights that don't need the strength of a baby you can just put a 5/8" female whotsit (eg Manfrotto 014MS 5/8"-M10 'Rapidapter' - other thread sizes are available) through the hole in the yoke.

    Best,
    Helen
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr82bart View Post
    I have Roger's book and it is a great resource.Now, back to the OP's question about models squinting due to the flash/light . . .

    -I don't use the Arri Fresnel equipment, so I am unfamiliar with the output...I have attempted the Hollywood Glamour Lighting and I don't recall my models having trouble with squinting.

    -Now that I recall, many of my images have the model facing one way and the lighting, - she wasn't looking directly at the light. During those images where I needed the model to to look at the light, I used the model light [of a flash-unit]

    -I also recall not having too much of an f-stop difference between the lighting of the room/studio and the model light.

    -I used a very powerful ProPhoto strobe . . . with a spot attachment and a 10% grid . . . I would also use the black foil to further reduce/direct the spot
    Fill was with a small softbox <--I know all wrong! I'll post some images whenever I get them scanned.



    Rgards, Art. (Yes, basically I used my $5000 Nikon D2X digital SLR as a light meter)
    Hi Art,

    It's not surprising why your models don't squint! lol . . . Obviously there's a going to be a difference between a modeling lamp of, say, 250w (or more?*) —even when intensified by a spot and grid— and a focused fresnel spot of 1000w .. or more.

    Looking forward to seeing some of your images!

    Best regards,

    Christopher Nisperos ... the other name on "Roger's book"

    *(being as you're using all that fancy digital equipment, I wouldn't see a reason to need very powerful lights, in your situation ...)

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    I want to thank all the people who have contributed to this thread (especially "the other name on Roger's book"), it's been really useful to read everyone's comments, and see (especially singlo's) examples.

    I decided it wasn't worth attempting this style without two key (pardon the pun) pieces of equipment - a proper focusing Fresnel and Roger and Christopher's book. Now that I have both (and a few more books besides) I've starting experimenting. You wouldn't believe the cramped nature of my "studio" but needs must.

    The first was originally a dud but we thought it worked as a more 20s style shot; the latter two were in imitation of a shot of Hedy Lamarr in Kobal's book of 40s portraits. Unfortunately the model's skin (and ancestry!) is more Rita than Hedy, but I hope it has still worked.

    If anyone has any suggestions of the technical/composition/aesthetic/anything else variety I would be really grateful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackwass View Post
    I want to thank all the people who have contributed to this thread (especially "the other name on Roger's book"), it's been really useful to read everyone's comments, and see (especially singlo's) examples . . . If anyone has any suggestions of the technical/composition/aesthetic/anything else variety I would be really grateful!
    Jackwass, thanks for your kind comments --or, should I say you're welcome?
    I like the third shot of Hedwig.. it's almost there as a base shot (from which you'd do your retouching, etc.) Quite obviously, it just needs a bit of fill. Keep going and --more importantly-- keep testing. There's your real "secret".

    Best,

    Christopher

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    I think the problem was (as I hinted at) that the skin tones weren't right to create the image I was trying to imitate. In the original, Hedy(wig)'s skin was very white (through I guess a combination of natural tone, makeup and retouching) - to the extent that the image was almost black and white. There certainly wasn't any fill in the original.

    The following attempts are of a more formulaic shot - and, I admit, definately does need some fill! I hope that they are getting closer though.

    Testing I shall definately do...looks like tomorrow evening I'll try the same + fill + maybe hairlight. The reason I started with the shots above was because they only required a single light - I didn't want to get it too complicated first.

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    2nd shoot with ETC 'hot lights'

    Quote Originally Posted by guy catelli View Post
    .... my lights -- 3 ETC Source-4 PARNels and an ETC LEKO -- arrived late this afternoon ....i'll be setting them up over the weekend.
    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Nisperos View Post
    Guy,

    Glad you finally got your lights. It'd be great to see some of your results posted here, even if you're still in the testing phase. It would add to a thread that so far is pretty informative.

    Good luck, be patient and have fun!

    Best,

    Christopher

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    my first shoot with the new lights is unshowable -- shadows look like anatomical amputations.

    here're two from the second shoot. i call the first "Modern Marriage":



    and the second, "A Woman's Smile"


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    Quote Originally Posted by guy catelli View Post
    my first shoot with the new lights is unshowable -- shadows look like anatomical amputations.

    here're two from the second shoot. i call the first "Modern Marriage":



    and the second, "A Woman's Smile"


    Um . . . your model has a nice smile ... and a very cute little riding crop.

    Your photos prove that with a busty model in a bra it isn't always easy to find the right pose. Your shots —as "bustys" often do— fall into the category of what we used to call, "cheesecake", rather than Hollywood glamour (not an insult! just a different category). Here's an example of a "busty" shot of Jayne Mansfield done in higher key commercial portrait lighting rather than so-called "Hollywood" glamor style, which is often in low key:

    http://galleries.lycos.co.uk/d/13786...emansfield.jpg

    If you're going to shoot a busty model in Hollywood style, I'd even recommend a reclined pose. As well, try to find a way to tease the viewer and infer the bustiness rather than outright show it.... that's part of the "Hollywood look" just as much as the lighting, retouching, etc.

    Another suggestion is to perhaps use a set rather than background paper. Yeah, I know.. you don't live in a Hollywood studio. But your model is in her underwear. Wouldn't it be less incongruous to actually have her in a bedroom lazing around in the bed? Or putting on makeup? Or what about brushing her hair? I dunno .. something other than getting ready to whip you!

    Use more fill, too. Hopes this helps.

    Best,

    Christopher

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    this one has key lights on the model's extreme left and right. the fill is facing her. all three lights were diffused with circular white-cloth 'reflectors'.



    in the next shot, i was able to redden the model's hair (which she had requested), without reddening her skin tone as much as in the one above, by using Photoshop CS3 and setting Fill Light to 30, and Blacks to 15.

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