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    Problem with Metz 60 CT4?

    Recently purchased a used Metz 60 CT4 from KEH. Unit was not working (lightup but no flahses, not even one) so I sent it back. They gave me another one which seemed to work great (out of the box I got a bunch of fast recharge flashes). However, now the unit seems to be becoming inconsistent. Half of the time it simply wont fire, but Im not sure if the battery is just dieing or there is something wrong with the unit. I have the standard charger and a dryfit battery - the red charge light never seems to go out.

    Is my charger bad? Or is there something wrong with the pack?

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    Check that the contacts in the pack are clean and making good contact with the battery contacts. Sometimes the supports for the bottom of the battery get bent.

    Also clean those battery contacts.
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    1) is the battery fully charged when you think it's done charging.
    2) it could be the charger, if it's a 6 or 12 V charger and not working right you may be able to use a charger from a RC car or airplane, not the tiny one but one that you can control the output with.
    If you know someone that flies(crashes) RC or a hobby shop see if you can use one. many shops service these things and will have a charger on the bench.
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    First I think the battery no longer holds a charge and that's why the voltage doesn't increase enough to turn off the red light. I don't think the charger is the problem unless you set it for the wrong voltage. It can be set to 120V or 220V. Replacement battery is available but is quite expensive, around $70 or so. You can get a battery that fit and work for less but doesn't have the raised ridge to prevent you from installing the battery backward.
    I guess that the ready light on the flash is not on when the flash won't fire? If it's on and the flash won't fire then there is more problem than just the battery.

    According to Metz instruction, you would charge the battery until the red light goes out and then another additional 6 hrs after that.

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    When I received t he flash unit for the second time t he battery powered the flash for quite a few flashes - at least 50 on full power and a lot more. So that leads me to think the battery is not dead.....going to look into getting it charged via another source asap

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    bump - anybody know what the little bar should be set to inside the battery compartment? Its set to "dryfit" right now, but there seems to be no electrical contact being made so Im thinking of switching it to Pb. Does this just change the charging voltage? Im confused here, I thought Dryfit batteries WERE Pb (lead acid....). Obviously I will not be using the nicad setting

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    The switch lug (that is what the manual calls it) controls the over-charge protection circuitry. My 60 CT1/CT2 manual says "When using a 'Dryfit' battery, it must be in the 'Dry' position."

    Here is a link to the page on the Metz site that has a bunch of Metz manuals, including (near the bottom) the 60 CT4:

    http://www.metz.de/en/service-suppor...mecablitz.html

    EDIT: I've just checked the instruction manuals listed on Metz' site, and it appears that Metz has done away with the switch lug in the current CT series flashes, as there is no reference to it in the current CT-1 or CT-4 manuals. That makes a certain amount of sense I guess, given there aren't a lot of the old style lead-acid batteries still around, and the "Dryfit" batteries work so much better (IMHO) than any nicads I have ever used.
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    I have the CT4, and it has the switch.....

    Now let me ask you this. When you look at the switch, is there an electric contact wrapping the inside of the little hole for each setting? On mine, both Nicad and Pb have the metal contact (for the little switch to touch) but the dry option is just an empty plastic hole. Im thinking this might be the issue.....going to try to charge on Pb setting now.

    Final question: When I charge, both the red and green lights lightup simultaneous (and stay on continuously) on the side of the flash unit. When the flash did work, the top red light would flash, but now the top red light stays on constantly (when the unit is switched on).

    Is this normal behavior?

    Also, I have checked the charger to make sure it is on the 120v setting instead of 220.

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    The switch lug looks like this on each of my two power packs.

    Don't switch it away from the Dryfit setting, because you will lose the circuitry that protects against over-charging.

    It occurs to me - what model of charger adapter do you have, and what is it rated at?

    There are a number of different ones that work, and the designations seem to vary depending on where the flash was sold, but the voltages all seem to be at or near 7 volts.

    My 3 charger adapters are designated, respectively, 402.12b, Typ 708 and Typ 728.
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    Also, what does it say on the outside of your battery pack. Mine are imprinted with "60 CT1/CT2". They are identical in function to the packs that come with the 60 CT4, except for some very minor details (e.g. only one of my packs has the red light on the top - it was a feature introduced after I acquired my 60 CT2 (which I bought new).
    Matt

    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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