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    Yellow Filter Use

    Everyone is probably tired of me asking questions but here goes another. When using a yellow filter in front of the pinhole to reduce contrast, does that apply to all scenes or just scenes in which you want to keep the sky from blowing out?

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    The yellow filter will block some of the light with opposing colour, like blue.

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    Be aware that any speck of dust or dirt on a filter used in front of a pinhole or between the pinhole and film will be as well-focused as everything else in the field of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee L View Post
    Be aware that any speck of dust or dirt on a filter used in front of a pinhole or between the pinhole and film will be as well-focused as everything else in the field of view.

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    I read that form another user on here, so the couple times I have used a filter I've been sure to move it around in front of the pinhole while the exposure was going.

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    A yellow filter will probably reduce contrast when using VC photo paper instead of film -- and a red filter will increase contrast.
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    A filter's effects will depend on the color sensitivity of the emulsion, as well as the colors of the subjects of the photo (including any colors caused by the color temperature of the light in which you are shooting).

    However, VC printing paper is a special exception, as there is more going on. A VC printing paper has a high-contrast layer that is sensitive to one color, a low contrast layer that is sensitive to another, and the entire paper is not sensitive to red. There is a change in over-all contrast with a change in filtration. Specifically, the yellow filter would lower the over-all contrast, like Vaughn sez, and a magenta one would raise it. You do the same thing in the darkroom when you move to a lower filter number; you add more yellow filtration in relation to the magenta. This makes it so that the low-contrast layer of your VC paper gets more exposure than the high-contrast layer, causing it to dominate the picture more, resulting in lower over-all contrast.

    With a panchromatic film (unlike photo paper in that it is not VC, and in that it is sensitive to all the primary colors of light), the filter will simply darken opposite colors and lighten its own in relation. The change is in how specific colors are rendered tonally, not in over-all contrast.

    So, to answer your question, with a VC paper in the camera, the yellow filter will lower contrast in all situations. With a panchromatic film in the camera, the over-all contrast is not changed, but the apparent color sensitivity of the film is; this means a change in the tonal relationships that certain colors produce.

    You can also use VC filters on your camera, of course. They are actually designed specifically for altering the contrast of photo paper, so you will get more predictable results with them as opposed to using your common Wratten-numbered filters.

    IMO, it is better to think of filters' effects in terms of the colors of subjects, not in terms of specific subjects themselves. For instance, think of it as the yellow filter darkening things that are blue, as opposed to it darkening sky. Sometime the sky is more or less blue than at other times, and sometimes it isn't really blue at all (overcast days, warm light, etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    A filter's effects will depend on the color sensitivity of the emulsion, as well as the colors of the subjects of the photo (including any colors caused by the color temperature of the light in which you are shooting).

    However, VC printing paper is a special exception, as there is more going on. A VC printing paper has a high-contrast layer that is sensitive to one color, a low contrast layer that is sensitive to another, and the entire paper is not sensitive to red. There is a change in over-all contrast with a change in filtration. Specifically, the yellow filter would lower the over-all contrast, like Vaughn sez, and a magenta one would raise it. You do the same thing in the darkroom when you move to a lower filter number; you add more yellow filtration in relation to the magenta. This makes it so that the low-contrast layer of your VC paper gets more exposure than the high-contrast layer, causing it to dominate the picture more, resulting in lower over-all contrast.

    With a panchromatic film (unlike photo paper in that it is not VC, and in that it is sensitive to all the primary colors of light), the filter will simply darken opposite colors and lighten its own in relation. The change is in how specific colors are rendered tonally, not in over-all contrast.

    So, to answer your question, with a VC paper in the camera, the yellow filter will lower contrast in all situations. With a panchromatic film in the camera, the over-all contrast is not changed, but the apparent color sensitivity of the film is; this means a change in the tonal relationships that certain colors produce.

    You can also use VC filters on your camera, of course. They are actually designed specifically for altering the contrast of photo paper, so you will get more predictable results with them as opposed to using your common Wratten-numbered filters.

    IMO, it is better to think of filters' effects in terms of the colors of subjects, not in terms of specific subjects themselves. For instance, think of it as the yellow filter darkening things that are blue, as opposed to it darkening sky. Sometime the sky is more or less blue than at other times, and sometimes it isn't really blue at all (overcast days, warm light, etc.).
    Thanks for the great response. So would it be ideal to use a 00 filter when shooting, rather than a regular yellow filter? Would a series of tests be required to figure out how many stops, or fractions of stops, need to be added to compensate for the darkening effect?

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    I believe the data sheet that comes in most papers lists ISO speeds of the paper with different Ilford Multigrade filters. However, that is for tungsten illumination TMK. The papers might be more sensitive in daylight. So, yes, I would say some tests at first are the way to start.

    I would not recommend using a 00 as a matter of course, but using the filter that will best give you what you want for each shot at hand. To pick this, you will need an eye for the luminance range of your composition (or a spot meter), and trial and error.
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    Pinholes with VC papers -- no need to over-think it, just go out and do it! It is pinhole photography after all! Check the pinhole sites for their recommendations for starting points, but there are so many other factors (size of the pinhole, how far from the pinhole to the film, etc) that one might as well just jump into it with both feet. You have reciprocity failure effects, too. So forget about "tests" and go out and burn some paper! Try different filters! Keep notes so that you can repeat the successes and hopefully not repeat too many of the "failures".

    Go out and have fun!
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    I believe the data sheet that comes in most papers lists ISO speeds of the paper with different Ilford Multigrade filters. However, that is for tungsten illumination TMK. The papers might be more sensitive in daylight. So, yes, I would say some tests at first are the way to start.

    I would not recommend using a 00 as a matter of course, but using the filter that will best give you what you want for each shot at hand. To pick this, you will need an eye for the luminance range of your composition (or a spot meter), and trial and error.
    Sounds a little beyond my knowledge so I'll probably just end up doing some tests.

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    Pinholes with VC papers -- no need to over-think it, just go out and do it! It is pinhole photography after all! Check the pinhole sites for their recommendations for starting points, but there are so many other factors (size of the pinhole, how far from the pinhole to the film, etc) that one might as well just jump into it with both feet. You have reciprocity failure effects, too. So forget about "tests" and go out and burn some paper! Try different filters! Keep notes so that you can repeat the successes and hopefully not repeat too many of the "failures".

    Go out and have fun!
    Thanks Vaughn. I just like having a good idea of what it takes to make a good exposure on the first shot. Or as close as possible to a good exposure. I read from another user that yellow filters were the way to go for contrast control. I tried it out the other day by placing a yellow filter in front of my digital camera, metering, plugging that into the exposure calculation formula (13 minute exposure), and then took the photo with my pinhole camera. When I developed it the negative was VERY thin, there was hardly any detail there. I went back out, metered without the yellow filter, plugged it into the calculation and I ended up getting an exposure time of a little over 10 minutes and then took the photo without the filter. I develop that one and it turned out MUCH better.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronmichael/5475648370/

    I'm thinking my digital camera didn't compensate enough for the yellow filter maybe? I should have just metered without it and then added an extra half stop or full stop of time.

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