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    Well ssaid Benji, I wish i were so eloquent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    Yes , Leica can not ruin your photographs like a nikon , I agree.
    I used 5 III series Leica and a Leicaflex. There was no internet but seller of 50s to 80s camera journals and magazines. I had no photographer friends and working 16 hours a day 9AM to 1AM. So there was noone to Show my cameras. But surfing the 40 years of magazines , it apperared Leica was the best in 35mm. There was Ektar Linhof Shots , wollensaks , cooke , hasselblads and nikon lenses but best was Leica.

    I am quite schocked when I saw Leica bashers here and the status symbol. No sir !
    A perfect example...

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    I dont think that there is anything cheap about a lot of japanese cameras. Canon made one of the best Leica lenses out there, the .95 TV Lens "Dream". I played with one not long ago, and I reckon it does 99% of the Leica equivalent for 1/5 of the price second hand, Beautiful bokeh and creamy light...Yummy... I adore Fujis older products, and I am hoping to purchase a medium format GW tomorrow if it is still on the shelf. I will also admit I own a digital Fuji too, even though it is like a swear word in here.

    What does it matter what he uses to shoot, so long as he does, I have only been a member here for a few days and haven't posted any of my works so I am in no position to complain about his apparent lack of doing so. But I can say this, Leica makes a really robust, compact reliable body and some of the best lenses in the business. They have been doing this since day dot. anyone who is shooting with a rangefinder camera must concede that without these roots their own japanese equivalents wouldn't exist as they are whether improved upon or not.

    just get out there and shoot! By the way E Van Hoegh, I took my own advice, and made a pinhole today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    They are not for professionals , I am not talking about wedding photography.

    Sorry to disagree but you have a huge majority of professional photographers against you. Maybe you can teach them what is real professional photography and how they should use anything but Leica...
    "The problem with photography is that it only deals with appearances." Duane Michals

    "A photograph is a secret of a secret. The more it tells you the less you know." Diane Arbus

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    I have only seen pictures of Leica cameras and they are very nice looking. If I suddenly came into a large sum of money I would buy a new car, I love my cameras and my dinky darkroom. My only paying shoot was a car show, got one of there t shirts as payment, which is what I asked for. I certainly have nothing against Leica owners and do not have a clue if they are better than my Nikon, Argus, Yashica, or Rollei. I have compared photos taken of the same subject at the same time and taken a digital at the same time. With my eyes I can not tell any difference. Lucky my only critics are my wife and daughters so I think I am pretty good:^) Just my 2 cents worth.

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    Over and over again, it will never end will it?
    How many people more need to die because of religion?

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    Andreas, it really is the same argument isn't it.

    Oneguy, your cameras sound great, I love Yashica and Rollei stuff, especially the TLR box stuff. Just make sure they get good use out of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasT View Post
    Over and over again, it will never end will it?
    How many people more need to die because of religion?
    When one has faith (or is delusional) facts are superfluous.

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    In my 63 years what I find most remarkable is the change in attitude towards Japan. When I was about six I went with my father to a 'five and ten cent store' and remarked that the toys looked cheaply built. He responded (and without prejudice!) 'they are probably made in Japan'. Since then, much has changed about just how 'cheaply' Japanese products are. Or are NOT! He is still living and driving in Connecticut and, at almost 91, praises his Suburu.

    Whether Mustafa is correct or not about Nikons and Canons fully capable of being able to 'ruin' photos is not up my alley. But I will say this: through the years there HAS been occasional criticism of the utter 'sharpness' of Nikon and Canon lenses and how they, somehow, compromise the 'aesthetic' of the photo. I am not going to lend an opinion here because I feel that I have no right to do so. But I will say this: even if Mustafa seems to be, by some, somewhat wayward in his thinking, I think that there is much to heed in simply listening to his counterargument. He just might have some truth to impart. We do not need absolute concensus here.

    In sum, let's not fall into the trap of bringing an 'analogous, latent Pearl Harbor' into the equation when we wish to either laud or denude some entity or country or mindset. Let us use only hard facts, tethered by nothing else, to make our cases. Emotion can be mighty dangerous. Do I make any sense? - David Lyga
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    Quote Originally Posted by E. von Hoegh View Post
    Here's what annoys me about the Leicaphiles. It's the attitude - that they're somehow special, more knowledgeable than non-Leica users.
    We are special and more knowledgeable than non-Leica users, especially those Linhof weasels!
    Kick his ass, Sea Bass!

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