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    Quote Originally Posted by Moopheus View Post
    Nobody ever successfully photographed those other things with SLRs? And how often do you do that anyway?

    I still say "time parallax" is mostly bs.
    At one time I shot many rolls of film at motorcross events. Much easier with a rangefinder.

    The question is how far will your subject travel during the delay. Even a millisecond can be significant.

    The word of the day is INERTIA. Camera designers do as much as they can to reduce it as they can.
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    Could we stop the "who shoots the fastest" contest (since Lucky Luke always wins) and get back to the OP original question?
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    Left foot up


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    Quote Originally Posted by miha View Post
    Left foot up
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    That left foot is indeed the first thing my eyes are drawn to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheToadMen View Post
    Could we stop the "who shoots the fastest" contest (since Lucky Luke always wins) and get back to the OP original question?
    Its not a contest, you are missing the point. We ARE discussing how appropriate each type of camera is for a particular situation which was the topic of the OP. If you are going to take photos of fastly moving subjects then time parallax IS important.
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    Gerald, I have never seen a working pro shooting sports with a Leica/Bessa. The best success rate with fastly moving subjects is generally achievable with a camera that can shoot many frames per second and is able to AF. Even die-hard Leica users of the time had a Nikon with a long lens ready for such occasions

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    IMHO, the reason rangefinders are advantageous when shooting moving subjects is that the viewfinders usually allow the photographer to see movement outside of the field of view of the lens - they help you anticipate the right moment.
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    The sports "use case" is complicated by the fact that RFs don't work that well with long lenses. If you had a sports situation that you could shoot comfortably with a 90mm lens, then you could make an apples-to-apples comparison between RF and SLR systems---but how often does that happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntenny View Post
    The sports "use case" is complicated by the fact that RFs don't work that well with long lenses. If you had a sports situation that you could shoot comfortably with a 90mm lens, then you could make an apples-to-apples comparison between RF and SLR systems---but how often does that happen?

    -NT
    Then there is the problem with camera shake and depth of field with long SLR lenses. Given a choice between using a telephoto and getting closer to the subject most people would choose getting closer. It's all a trade off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    IMHO, the reason rangefinders are advantageous when shooting moving subjects is that the viewfinders usually allow the photographer to see movement outside of the field of view of the lens - they help you anticipate the right moment.
    Right. No matter what camera you're using, you're still at the mercy of your finger. And the finger is going to introduce a delay that's quite a bit bigger than the shutter lag of the camera--around 2-4 tenths of a second. I'd be very surprised if you could control the timing of that motion to within 20 milliseconds. So time parallax is still bs.

    And it isn't about what camera is faster--in fact, the point is that in most cases, it doesn't matter. Most pro-grade cameras, at least, are faster than you are.

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