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    Gotta love those serious leica shooters

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    I guess I am in the minority of Leica "shooters," StoneNYC: my interest is shooting my M6s, not worshiping them. By my own admission, I know diddley-squat about the history of Leica, the iterations of the various lenses, Leica nomenclature, MTF tests (what the hell are those?!?!); my interest is using the things, not admiring them. For the record, one M6 (always loaded with Tri-X/HP5+) resides in the console of my Civic, always at the ready; the other, likewise at the ready, will be in a corner of my Domke, or hanging off my shoulder. Re: technical knowledge: One of the reasons joining APUG appealed to me was the breadth of knowledge therein: an effort to compensate for the manifold weaknesses in things technical.

    Your generalization about LeicaFolks, Stone, unfortunately contains more than a measure of truth. A member of Leica Forum and LaVida Leica, I admit to finding far too much of the "discussions" meaningless...and often embarrassing to read. Indeed, I have found myself wondering on more than a few occasions if some of these folks get out on a regular basis to use their precious cameras! Oh, and yes, I laughed my ass off when I watched the video (much as I got a charge out of seeing the picture of Eric Clapton trying to shoot with the lens cap on...).
    You're cool, I like you haha, I don't understand the MTF-DQUERBDIUDEBEBDHOCUIAOA chart either.

    So you're not really a Leica shooter you're a rangefinder photographer haha

    I love my Mamiya 7 and would certainly use an M6 often if I had one, but I refuse to spend the money unless one falls in my lap lol

    I've also shot my Mamiya 7 with the lens cap on... But only one or 2 frames, and never took me that long to realize... And the Mamiya 7 doesn't even have TTL
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    The Leica folks are an obvious extreme example, but I think if we're honest with ourselves, many of us have to admit that "ooo, this thing is a cool object" plays a significant role in our gear accumulation. Not all of us---obviously the pros, whose living depends on having tools with which they can get the job done and make a living at viable price levels, don't generally have the luxury of saying "I think I'll shoot this ludicrously impractical camera today instead"---but many of us.

    For that matter, don't a lot of us have shelf queens that we admire as objets d'art? The non-shooting or minimally-shooting Leica collectors are just a hypertrophied version of that same thing, and I suppose it harms no one except inasmuch as it causes a few items to be priced out of reasonable "user" territory.

    That's not to say they aren't amusing. But so am I with my cabinet full of Contaxen; and so probably, gentle reader, are you. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntenny View Post
    Not all of us---obviously the pros, whose living depends on having tools with which they can get the job done and make a living at viable price levels, don't generally have the luxury of saying "I think I'll shoot this ludicrously impractical camera today instead"-NT
    I always thought a Leica was a very practical camera.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Gotta love those serious leica shooters

    Quote Originally Posted by ntenny View Post
    The Leica folks are an obvious extreme example, but I think if we're honest with ourselves, many of us have to admit that "ooo, this thing is a cool object" plays a significant role in our gear accumulation. Not all of us---obviously the pros, whose living depends on having tools with which they can get the job done and make a living at viable price levels, don't generally have the luxury of saying "I think I'll shoot this ludicrously impractical camera today instead"---but many of us.

    For that matter, don't a lot of us have shelf queens that we admire as objets d'art? The non-shooting or minimally-shooting Leica collectors are just a hypertrophied version of that same thing, and I suppose it harms no one except inasmuch as it causes a few items to be priced out of reasonable "user" territory.

    That's not to say they aren't amusing. But so am I with my cabinet full of Contaxen; and so probably, gentle reader, are you. :-)

    -NT
    Well said.

    I think many tease about Leica owners BECAUSE we are a but upset that something so practical and usable could be used so poorly and so little and priced out of user prices that it makes us mad and we lash out, I wouldn't call this jealousy so much, but some form of it.

    Like seeing a Red Lamborghini driving down the highway going 40mph... Why bother if your not using it the way it was intended to be used...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Most Leica "shooters" (owners) know a lot about the theory of shooting, and can show you all sorts of charts that tell you how good their camera is, but it's doubtful if many actually are proficient at actually using the camera and framing a shot... Too busy polishing and dusting them on their glass shelves

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    Why can't we all just get along?
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    Gotta love those serious leica shooters

    I never get tired of being wrong when I lean something from it.

    I'm also not wrong in this case, because what I said is my perspective on the images I've seen from Leica shooters... As I said I've only seen one photographer ever who was a REALLY good Leica shooter

    This is my opinion on what I have seen...

    Show me more excellent Leica shots and I'll reconsider
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I never get tired of being wrong when I lean something from it.

    I'm also not wrong in this case, because what I said is my perspective on the images I've seen from Leica shooters... As I said I've only seen one photographer ever who was a REALLY good Leica shooter

    This is my opinion on what I have seen...

    Show me more excellent Leica shots and I'll reconsider
    Check out my website. I'm not saying I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do okay. Some shots where done with Leica. Some Nikon, some Rolleiflex, some Hasselblad, some iPhone.
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    Stone would not be able to appreciate any of these shots, as they contain no sexuality.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

    Francis Bacon

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