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    Possible design of Leica II

    I sometimes wonder if it is possible to improve on the Oskar Barnack design of the Leica II by designing a camera of the same weight and size (tactile handling), but incorporating a M2 style viewfinder (with 50mm frame lines only) and a leaf shutter. Would such a design be possible?

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    so like a IIIG with combined RF/VF and a leaf shutter...sure...but I think I would rather have the focal plane shutter regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Lange View Post
    so like a IIIG with combined RF/VF and a leaf shutter...sure...but I think I would rather have the focal plane shutter regardless.
    Why?

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    Not sure

    I am not too sure a leaf shutter would constitute an "improvement." There are lots of cameras around if you want something different. There is a Canonet with a leaf shutter that takes fabulous photos and syncs at any speed up to 1/500 with strobe. A friend of mine used one professionally from time to time. He wanted to flash fill some portraits at 1/500 of a sec. and most 35mm camera of the time synced 1/60 of a second or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    I sometimes wonder if it is possible to improve on the Oskar Barnack design of the Leica II by designing a camera of the same weight and size (tactile handling), but incorporating a M2 style viewfinder (with 50mm frame lines only) and a leaf shutter. Would such a design be possible?
    several companies made this very thing, such as Ricoh, but they didn't take off -- if you have a leaf shutter you lose lens interchangability.

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    I sometimes wonder if it is possible to improve on the Oskar Barnack design of the Leica II by designing a camera of the same weight and size (tactile handling), but incorporating a M2 style viewfinder (with 50mm frame lines only)
    Yes, it already exists. It is called a FED-2. An SLR exists as well. Look for an early Zenit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summicron1 View Post
    several companies made this very thing, such as Ricoh, but they didn't take off -- if you have a leaf shutter you lose lens interchangability.
    Not necessarily . . . have a Google for Werra rangefinders

    (Though you'd be very lucky to find any lenses apart from the standard one, it is technically possible to make, and sell successfully, such a camera).

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    I have Fed-2,Fed-4, Zorki-4,Zorki-6 that have the larger viewfinder but they are all quite a bit taller than my Leica ii.
    IMO Leica ii with 50mm auxiliary finder looks better.
    You can get Leica ii that was converted to flash sync and if ND filters are used on the lens this allows shooting at wide aperture to get out of focus background which is the same effect that can be got with leaf shutter so there is no need for leaf shutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinP View Post
    Not necessarily . . . have a Google for Werra rangefinders

    (Though you'd be very lucky to find any lenses apart from the standard one, it is technically possible to make, and sell successfully, such a camera).
    and the Voigtlander Prominent, Kodak Retina and a few others, but in general they didn't do well, the lenses were less sharp because they required too many compromises, and were usually born of efforts to make a camera that got around the Leica patents. The Leica design is far superior.

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    It's quite nice to have a camera with a choice of shutter either a Focal Plane or leaf shutter, In my case I have a couple of Speed Graphics and an Ihagee
    Zweiverschluss Duplex, of course these are large format (5x4 & 9x12).

    My IIIa has had flash synch added, works fine. In the 70's I met a local Councillor (here in the UK) who's first job was camera repairs after WWII in fact he said most of his work was adding flash synch to cameras like Leica's. A good repair man should be able to do it today.

    There's an intriguing flash synch for the 1931 Compur on my Ihagee Zweiverschluss Duplex, it's strange but works probably DIY.

    I can't see why a pair of lens cells couldn't be mounted to a Compur shutter with a Leica srew mount, but where would the focus helical go . . . . .

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