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    Well in fact C.V. is also making the Zeiss lenses except the 85mm and the 15mm. These two are really "made in Germany" by Zeiss in Oberkochen.
    Pretty good camera, nice view finder and the specs of the range of lenses are also OK. But it's NOT a Leica. If you compare the prices you can see that the top of quality will cost you a lot of money.


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    Dean: That is just such a tired argument. When your Ford, Lincoln, Cadillac, Toyota, Lexus ... whatever, is made entirely by the company on the badge, including all parts., etc., let us know.

    Robert: No one was talking about Leica. What is your point? The original question was about the Rollei 35RF vs. the Bessa R2a.
    Honey, I promise no more searching eBay for cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Dunbar View Post
    Dean: That is just such a tired argument. When your Ford, Lincoln, Cadillac, Toyota, Lexus ... whatever, is made entirely by the company on the badge, including all parts., etc., let us know.
    Earl,
    I don't understand your point? Are you saying that only part of the ZI is made by CV? My understanding is that they're making the whole thing, which seems to imply that if they wanted to they could make a Bessa (R5a anyone?) that's every bit as high quality as the ZI but that it would probably cost 2.5-3x as much as the R3a. If Zeiss is making some of the parts and shipping them to CV for final assembly, I'd be interested to learn it.

    FWIW, Lexus *is* Toyota. Companies make up and down market products at the same time in a variety of industries. A Lexus isn't 'better' than a Toyota because it says Lexus on the badge, or because it's made by a different company. It's 'better' because by charging more for it they can use more expensive materials or pay more attention to fine detail. I'll guess things are the same at CV.

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    Depending on your budget: C.V. (Bessa) - Rollei 35 RF - Zeiss Ikon - Leica MP/M7.
    Overall quality will be around the same sequence but the differences for the "top gear" are very small at the end.
    I have a M7 but I think I could produce the same pictures and quality with the Z.I. or even a C.V. equipped with a Zeiss or a Leica lens. The only question if choosen the last option is if the camera should work on difficult circumstances (e.g. -25 degrees C.) in this matter .

    Well: Leica has also some supliers. Their u-processor chip for the M7 is delivered/produced by Elmos in Dortmund which is also producing the ABS controller chips for Mercedes and BMW :rolleyes:

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    For me, it's not just about quality in terms of build, it's also about performance. A ZI & a Leica M can do some things that a Bessa simply can't do.

    There's the extra frame - 28 mm - in the viewfinder & we know about the longer base line. These will affect performance.

    Zeiss hasn't made a big deal of it, but they matched Leica in terms of shutter lag at 14 milliseconds. Pop Photo measured the Bessa R at 100 ms. The Konica Hexar RF is 120 ms. This ability to capture the decisive moment without the shutter lag of an SLR has always been a big selling point for a Leica M camera.

    The Bessa line of cameras are very good for what they do; it's important to be aware that there are just some things they can't do to the same degree as these more expensive Zeiss & Leica rangefinders. Right tool to fit the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biogon Bill View Post
    For me, it's not just about quality in terms of build, it's also about performance. A ZI & a Leica M can do some things that a Bessa simply can't do.

    There's the extra frame - 28 mm - in the viewfinder & we know about the longer base line. These will affect performance.

    Zeiss hasn't made a big deal of it, but they matched Leica in terms of shutter lag at 14 milliseconds. Pop Photo measured the Bessa R at 100 ms. The Konica Hexar RF is 120 ms. This ability to capture the decisive moment without the shutter lag of an SLR has always been a big selling point for a Leica M camera.

    The Bessa line of cameras are very good for what they do; it's important to be aware that there are just some things they can't do to the same degree as these more expensive Zeiss & Leica rangefinders. Right tool to fit the job.
    Aye. I haven't handled either camera but it's pretty clear to me from reading about them that the ZI is a nicer camera. I'm only just starting to flirt with the idea of a rangefinder myself though, so I suspect the $500 version is more likely to be my "try it, see if you like it" model.

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    And if you like the 28mm (and 21mm !) frame:

    21/35, 28, 25/50 mm

    http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigt...tag6uectx.html

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