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    Quote Originally Posted by rfshootist View Post
    Hi Roger,

    could you describe with some few words why you personally would prefer the 1,5/50 Nok or the Skopar ?

    Thanks !

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    Dear Bertram,

    First, sorry for the mistype: the f/1 should of course have been Noctilux. Probably fairly easy to see why I'd prefer that! Actually I'd prefer the 50/1.5 Nokton as well, but not by as much -- for the speed, and the easier focusing.

    Second, the Color-Skopar is probably the sweetest-handling lens made by Voigtlander, and very compact. Quality at f/2.5 is OK, not exceptional, but it's excellent by f/5.6. The collapsible Heliar is not my favorite lens ergonomically -- focusing ring too small, no focusing spur, and the 'collapsible' feature is (to be generous) marginal because it doesn't collapse much. A spur would transform it.

    But, as I said earlier, the f/2 Heliar does have a distinctive 'signature', easier to recognize than to describe, and I can well believe that for some people it is 'magic'. Just not me.

    Finally, I'll second all the praise that has been heaped upon Stephen. He has indeed done a great deal for Voigtlander and his website is excellent. Disagreeing with his opinion of 'legendary' is a matter of opinion, not calling him a liar or a shill.

    Cheers,

    R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
    Dear Bertram,

    The collapsible Heliar is not my favorite lens ergonomically -- focusing ring too small, no focusing spur, and the 'collapsible' feature is (to be generous) marginal because it doesn't collapse much. A spur would transform it.
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    I see. Not having used it ever myself I don't know anything about the ergonomical aspects.I have to admit that I mistrust those collapsibles a bit anyway, for mechanical reasons (tubus play), wrongly tho as I assume.

    I have only seen pics on the monitor, shot with the f3,5/50 Heliar and my impression was it looks glassclear, extremely precise and very 3D, similar to a midformat lens or the Pan X f4/45.
    The f 3,5 narrows the field of use seriously, even for me ,who, as you know,
    is no fast lens addict !

    Best as usual,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfshootist View Post
    I see. Not having used it ever myself I don't know anything about the ergonomical aspects.I have to admit that I mistrust those collapsibles a bit anyway, for mechanical reasons (tubus play), wrongly tho as I assume.

    I have only seen pics on the monitor, shot with the f3,5/50 Heliar and my impression was it looks glassclear, extremely precise and very 3D, similar to a midformat lens or the Pan X f4/45.
    The f 3,5 narrows the field of use seriously, even for me ,who, as you know,
    is no fast lens addict !

    Best as usual,

    Bertram
    Dear Bertram,

    The 3D quality is still there with the f/2 but not the sharpness. As for play in the secondary bayonet, I have never found this a problem and I have used Leica collapsibles going back to 1930 or even a little earlier. But of course collapsible lenses are necessarily heavier and more complex than non-collapsibles, except perhaps with the very simplest, slowest designs such as the f/3.5 Elmar.

    The f/3.5 Heliar is indeed very sharp at full aperture but by f/5.6 I defy anyone to see the difference between it and any other first-class lens, and f/3.5 is only 1-1/3 stop faster than f/5.6 anyway...

    Cheers,

    R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsegil View Post
    Please do not use this thread to harm the good reputation of Mr. Gandy. His "legendary" description referred to the screwmount version of the f/3.5; long discontinued and not available for sale from him or anybody else that I am aware of (but would love to know if there are any out there). Stephen has probably done more for the success of the CV product line than any other person in this country, and to a significant extent one could even say that the existance of this forum is a tribute to his hard and honest work.
    LJ Segil
    I didn't read Rjas' comment as "bashing" Stephen. All the testimonials here aside, the fact is that Stephen does sell the product in question, so he has a conflict of interests & cannot be considered objective or unbiased. That's just a fact that Rjas mentioned & it does not impugn Stephen or his character. I'm sure he's a good chap & a fine fellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biogon Bill View Post
    I didn't read Rjas' comment as "bashing" Stephen. All the testimonials here aside, the fact is that Stephen does sell the product in question, so he has a conflict of interests & cannot be considered objective or unbiased. That's just a fact that Rjas mentioned & it does not impugn Stephen or his character. I'm sure he's a good chap & a fine fellow.
    I think it was the post after Rjas' that struck some of us as both ill-informed and a bit of an unfair statement impugning Steve's integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    I think it was the post after Rjas' that struck some of us as both ill-informed and a bit of an unfair statement impugning Steve's integrity.
    LOL

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    Stephen Gandy is a helpful salesman - he offered me lots of help when I emailed him about buying a 28mm lens awhile ago. But the fact is, he does sell the lenses and will never say a bad thing about them. Nothing wrong with that, its just something you should know! I don't expect anyone selling me something to tell me it isn't great, I was merely informing the poster of the thread that he shouldn't take the "legendary" comment to heart. I didn't entirely understand the context of the "legendary" post so my reply was probably not needed now that I think about it. No harm done either way.

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    I kinda like this lens with TRI-X. When it is wide open, it gets a little soft. looks good in B+W. I don't like it in color though. Other apertures are really sharp.
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    Being a good, reputable businessman has nothing to do with being a good writer -- no connection there. He is a good writer, but he's also a businessman, so when he writes about a product and sells it at the same time, he must temper his criticism.

    He can't (or shouldn't from a business standpoint) write that Lens X is a dog and then in the next paragraph say, "Buy it here!"

    So words such as "legendary" or "classic" or other superlatives applied to products that he sells should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt.

    There is no longer any information about the Zeiss Ikon rangefinder or lenses on his site, because he no longer carries the gear. The appearance is that its removal was motivated by his anger toward Carl Zeiss AG. This is a disservice to those seeking information about these products. But it's his site, and he can post or not post whatever information he chooses.

    While I like the CameraQuest site and have bought several things from Stephen Gandy with great results, I dislike the garish use of bright blue and red (an assault on weary eyes on many days) and the way that certain links pop up in a new window and another window and another window. His methods of linking are nonsensical in popping up new browser sessions.

    But that's a personal dislike for unnecessary window popups. I also dislike dpreview.com's site, which I believe creates extra page views (probably for advertising purposes) by forcing you to click to an intermediate page (often two pages) before clicking to a review or preview. If I advertised on that site, I would complain, because while not fraudulent, it is ethically questionable (advertisers page by page views -- the more page views, the more the bill to the advertiser).

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    Read what Stephen has to write about his lenses. If it's a great lens, he describes it as such. If it isn't a great lens, he doesn't write anything other than a general description. What's wrong with that? He has to keep Cosina happy to keep his business with them. Now with rangefinderforum.com at his disposal, he can convey anything he wants officially and unofficially under assumed "names." I hope he stays in business for a long time. The only thing that erks me is the removed Zeiss Ikon system information.

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