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    Surely some must stand out. Would this cheaper line have such a lens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Boyd View Post
    Surely some must stand out. Would this cheaper line have such a lens?
    Donald,

    It's obvious to most any person without a bias or agenda that a lens line at half the price of the "top of the pile" is going to have compromises that include more than just the speed of the aperture!

    But there are those who seek to curry favor with the manufacturer so as to get a chance to "review" the line and sell said comments etc. to magazines. Reputations do carry clout.

    In a "fair world" my question would be worth answering. Since they are at the same "price point" as the competiton; once released, how will these new Leitz Summarits stack up performance-wise against the CZ ZM lenses?

    It is amazing to me that the same RF folk who went crazy about the ZM lenses a year or so ago - are now awed by these yet to be released Summarits.

    You could probably make an M-mount with the optical quality of a used ashtray and, so long as it had that red dot, some folk would consider the best glass possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Boyd View Post
    Surely some must stand out. Would this cheaper line have such a lens?
    No-one knows yet -- but I hope to test 'em for Shutterbug. 'Magic' lenses aren't always the most expensive: most who have tried both prefer the 75 Summicron to the 75 Summilux, unless they REALLY need the speed. We shall see how the 75 Summilux compares, in particular.

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    Thank you Roger - because I didn't want to have to follow up with Erwin's nonsense and the nonsense from that rangefinder site.

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    It is possible that the new lenses were designed for digital users.

    1. With modern digital cameras speed of the lens in not very important. The sensitivity of the sensor could be increases to high level, so f1.0 is not needed anymore.

    2. "Fingerprints" of the lens are even less important. Any modern software will draw the image the way the engineers of the camera want. While with film one has a final image (in case of slide film), with digital the lens should deliver an accurate raw data to the sensor. After that the sensor and firmware will finish the job. So as long as a lens is sharp enough it meets the requirements of digital. I was amazed with the ability of Lightroom to modify lens defects (purple fringing, light fall-off...)

    3. Hopefully used "real" Leica's lenses will be less expensive in the future...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbelyaev View Post
    It is possible that the new lenses were designed for digital users.
    A good argument; probably digital + 'bait' for Voigtländer/Zeiss Ikon users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
    No-one knows yet -- but I hope to test 'em for Shutterbug. 'Magic' lenses aren't always the most expensive: most who have tried both prefer the 75 Summicron to the 75 Summilux, unless they REALLY need the speed. We shall see how the 75 Summilux compares, in particular.
    Roger,

    Will your test for Shutterbug include a side-by-side comparison to the comparable CZ ZM's?

    Remember the "good old days" when camera magazines actually published such "shoot outs"?

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    This is the answer from Leica (Solms) in the RF market which is very populair and a direct competition to the Zeiss ZM lenses.

    That all Leica lenses are coded now is not so strange for their M8 but indeed for their digital RF a maximum aperture is less important than for their film RF-M cameras.
    Further they can expect a larger market for these range of lenses than for their Summilux line. So then they can produce also cheaper.

    When I had to choose between a 75mm Summilux, Summicron or Summarit and I can expect the same preformance for F=2,8 or F=3,5 maybe I should go for the new Summarit 2,5/75mm either.
    Just wait and see and maybe test......

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    One thing I found disappointing about Leica's page about its lenses is that it didn't say if these were reformulated lenses with digital in mind.

    I found Leica's decision curious to first discuss the typeface and color of the red dot and then give just a brief mention to the actual lenses. It made me wonder if Leica felt that style is more important than optical performance.

    I certainly would expect these to be very good lenses. Competition benefits consumers, as well as companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elekm View Post

    I found Leica's decision curious to first discuss the typeface and color of the red dot and then give just a brief mention to the actual lenses. It made me wonder if Leica felt that style is more important than optical performance.

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    Since this is possibly the start of the drip-feed of information on the new lenses, this may well be to have us believe from the outset that they are following the "traditional Leica quality", rather than being made down to a price. Guess we'll all just have to wait and see!

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