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    Zeiss seems to have positioned itself in a sensible part of the market between the entry-level (but reliable by my experience) Voigtlander Bessas, and the prestige price point of a new Leica. I'll admit I want a Zeiss Ikon, but my R2A gets the job done fine. I haven't had any issues, but I have a 2 year Australian warranty if anything comes up, so I'm not really worried.
    I wouldn't turn down my nose up at the lens offerings from any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hoskinson View Post
    I have 2 M3 Leicas
    (a two stroke and a single stroke). I also have a Zeiss Ikon ZM, I love all 3 of these cameras.

    I like the build quality of the Zeiss, the performance and high quality of the Zeiss lenses, the Ikon's long base rangefinder and its meter coupled Copal shutter.

    I recently read a scathing report by a photojournalist about his experience with multiple field failures, poor build quality and poor reliability of his M-7 Leica and his similar very negative experiences with a M8 Leica.
    I don't know enough about the various Leicas to feel certain that any purchase I make in that arena would be the right one. I am very seriously close to springing for a Zeiss, though.

    What do you find to be the main differences between your Leicas and the Zeiss?
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    A used M6 gets my vote. 11 years of stirling service from mine. No complaints at all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bragg View Post
    A used M6 gets my vote. 11 years of stirling service from mine. No complaints at all....
    As I said before, I love my Leica M3s they both have worked fine for many years (with periodic CLAs).

    My Zeiss Ikon is still my personal choice for a TTL metering M mount Rangefinder camera.

    I also own and use a Minolta CLE, a Leica CL and several Cosina Voigtlander M mount rangefinder cameras.
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    Another vote for the G2, I have my gripes but on the whole a fun camera, excellent lenses. I do have concerns about the future of serviceability, but it's cheap enough that you can get a few bodies if you really love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Ullsmith View Post
    Another vote for the G2, I have my gripes but on the whole a fun camera, excellent lenses. I do have concerns about the future of serviceability, but it's cheap enough that you can get a few bodies if you really love it.
    Rich,

    How much is "cheap enough"? I've been monitoring auctions of G2 bodies, and it seems that the going rate is usually over $500 for used bodies. And it seems like prices are rising recently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hoskinson View Post
    I have 2 M3 Leicas
    (a two stroke and a single stroke). I also have a Zeiss Ikon ZM, I love all 3 of these cameras.

    I like the build quality of the Zeiss, the performance and high quality of the Zeiss lenses, the Ikon's long base rangefinder and its meter coupled Copal shutter.

    I recently read a scathing report by a photojournalist about his experience with multiple field failures, poor build quality and poor reliability of his M-7 Leica and his similar very negative experiences with a M8 Leica.
    Tom could it be that the M7 has a electric shutter and the M8 isn't even a M series camera it is a point and shoot as far as I'm concerned. I have read reports on pre M7's having been completely drenched in water and let to dry out and fuctioned perfectly for the next 7 years. His Nikon didn't weather as well.

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    I am happy M3 user but if AE is a big thing for you, the Voightlander R2a if you are after cheap and cheerful and the Zeiss Ikon M if you want to spend more money. That's pretty much it out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael9793 View Post
    and the M8 isn't even a M series camera it is a point and shoot as far as I'm concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white.elephant View Post
    I assume you have personal experience with each of these? I'm at the point of decision between the Bessa and the Ikon. This would be my first rangefinder, so the issue is the risk of the price. Both seem relatively easy to re-sell if I found RFs untenable for some reason.

    But the Ikon's rep seems more solid.

    Yes, I've used all three, as well as a Leica LTM and an M6 (sold the M6 quite some time ago and still have a IIIf) and a number of other cameras.

    If you're simply testing the waters, I'd probably go the Cosina Voigtlander Bessa route. It's less outlay of cash, and they're reasonably easy to resell.

    But it's probably the camera that will hold its value the least, unless you buy used. If you buy used, you won't lose much on the resale of a Cosina Voigtlander Bessa.

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