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    I think you'd want it, in my experience. Sure you could estimate based on the 28mm lines in the finder, IF you use an LTM-M adapter that calls up the 28mm lines. Given that you can (but may not need to) focus the lens through the Minolta finder, using the Voigtlander accessory finder means shifting your eye from one to the other. In the heat of taking multiple pictures, you could use the 28mm lines and just accept the extra brought in by the 21mm. Certainly, IMO, the Voigtlander finder is so nice and clear that it makes using the lens that much more enjoyable.

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    The CV 214P color skopar has my attention, and does not require the screwmount-bayonet adapter. The Gandy site also notes that an accessory finder is not sold with this lens, and is not required because it 'calls up' the 28-90 lines in Leica M cameras. I am confused about this, as I thought you need to have the lines appropriate to the focal length of the lens. The screwmount version of this lens -CV21 4 - does come with the viewer. Can one set of lines be used for multiple focal lengths?

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    I think I see the answer: the 214P was designed in particular for the Bessas, and can be used without the viewfinder for these models.

    Boy, the Zeiss 21/2.8 looks so nice, but at three times the cost with the viewfinder....

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    With the 21/4 P you will need to buy the finder separately unless you are using it on the Bessa R4 which has 21mm lines built in. The screwmount version comes with a finder. I'd go for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anupam Basu View Post
    With the 21/4 P you will need to buy the finder separately unless you are using it on the Bessa R4 which has 21mm lines built in. The screwmount version comes with a finder. I'd go for that.
    Yes. that is what I did - bought the 21/4 screw mount version (same optics as the P) and added an M adapter.
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    Is there one particular type of M adapter for the 21/4 and CLE combination, or a just one type for all lenses and focal lengths?

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    Adapters bring up particular framelines on M bodies, but the thread is the same. Since no M body has a 21 frameline, any adapter will do - it'll just show the frameline it's designed for.

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    28mm f5.6 Summaron. Perfect size for CLE.

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    I'll just mention here the one issue that can arise with using a screw-bayonet adapter is that in some of my Leica M cameras, the camera's lens mount grabs the adapter tightly to the extent that sometimes the lens will unscrew from the adapter rather than the lens-adapter combination turning enough to be removed (if you get what I mean).

    I then use the three prongs on the back of the rear lens cap to engage the three cutouts in the rim of the adapter and remove it manually, and put it back on the lens.

    I have resisted putting Loctite on the adapter to better adhere it to the lens because I also have a lot of LTM cameras I use the lens with. If anyone has found a workable solution to this small issue, I'd like to hear it.

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    I use the LEE gel filters (4x4 with the adapter) for for my 35mm SLR and medium format cameras, but this system will be bulky on the CLE and lens. I have avoided buying individual glass filters (other than polarizer). Is there a filter system designed with these smaller lenses in mind? Many thanks again to all for this valuable information. Gary

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