Same with the Russian lenses..and folders.. not that great normally, but when theyre adjusted/calibrated to be in spec of the actual design.. damn good.
Originally Posted by b1bmsgt
Arax/Arsat iirc do this calibration, so any Arax/Arsat labelled one should be great.
Any one know anything about the Panzerkampf camera?
What a surprise to see this thread come back to life!
And, I am also a "Leica clone" user, having both a Zorki-4 and a Zorki-4K. Both of them had problems; the Zorki-4K locked up the shutter while I was testing the shutter system just after it arrived. The Zorki-4 came to me with the closing blind in the shutter either going across very slowly, stopping while going across, or not moving at all. Both of these cameras responded to a CLA, and the Zorki-4K a minor adjustment to the speed selector shaft assembly. Both of them have the Jupiter-8 2/50mm lens; one silver, one black.
Do they have the smooth operation of a Leica? My samples do not, but they sure do work. I am happy with the results on the negatives.
One of the previous postings included a comment about arm-wrestling. I do that all the time with my Kiev 88 and 88CM, just to take a photograph. I think that this is one of the standard characteristics of using FSU cameras, and may explain why FSU photographers have such strong physiques.
Ralph Javins, Latte Land, Washington
When they ask you; "How many Mega Pixels you got in your camera?"
just tell them; "I use activated silver bromide crystals tor my image storage media."
Many of them will be junk by now, and they need to be gifts and you need to be good at repairing if you want to take photos, with them eventually. My mate, a poor student has been given a Fed 2 and a Leica IIIf...
My best two are a Fed I from 1936 and a Zorki I from 1949-50, the Fed I lens is uncoated, either needs a hood like the Leica 'Fison'.
recently i bought a kiev 4a, a fed 5 and a zorki 4k, all work well and apparently have reasonable quality for the money, the lenses seem reasonable also. My favorite is the zorki and the least favourite is the fed, the kiev is also very nice, with a bright finder.
for around 50 euros for all cameras with 50mm lenses and leather cases and working condition i couldn´t help myself
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Now you need to get a FED-2 and you will be fulfilled! (Ok...a Zorki 6 will due just as well...)
Panzerkampf cameras, cameras with marking of the German Navy etc. are all fake Leicas (re-badged Zorkis or Kievs). Leica never did special editions for the German Army. So in those cases even if they carry the Leica writings, they are certainly fake and presumably nobody will try to sell them as real Leicas on eBay.
There are also fake Leica that only bring Leica trademarks, and they are more "dangerous", you could think you buy a Leica and you buy a Zorki.
As far as the quality of Soviet cameras is concerned, a non unreasonable theory says that those which were destined to the export market have a higher average quality. You recognise them by the writings both in Cyrillic and in Latin characters, that applies to lenses also.
Higher quality Russian cameras costs more than Leica R4 and Elmarit combination. I happily met with Bulgarian and Romanian APUG members at the forums and asked them to help me buying best quality Russian Leica Clones. Roosinov lenses cost 700 dollars and some more. And I saw the images and it looks like satellite pictures , that sharp , even you dont want that sharp lens.
I learned Former Soviet Country Sellers apply the highest equivalent EBAY prices at their local market.
So all the remaiing ebay listings are there because there is somewhere problem at the cameras. They know they cant sell it a photographer who will try by hand and they are on the ebay like a pirate ship.
And most frequently found problem on these cameras and zenit slrs are the old silk textile.
They transmit some light on film where they mostly pressurized in the gear system and it is too difficult to change or finding the silk.
And there will be always a yellowing at the viewfinder and if there is not a error at the lens.
So your best bet is to be a APUG Subscriber and buy from a reputable member.
I have a Kiev 4 am that I bought for about 50 bucks on Ebay. It is in great shape cosmetically and in function. Mine was produced in the city of its name in 1981 and is practically brand new. It takes rather exceptional pictures. Check out Kievs!
I've used a Zorki 4k and a FED-3.
So far I liked the FED-3 better in handling. But the Zorki has more features.