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    When I went from the F5 to the F100 I thought MLU would be an issue... it has not been. The mirror damping on the F100 is very good.

    Jed, when I spoke of longish handheld exposures in a previous post, that was with a mamiya 6, which has leaf shutter lenses.... and no mirror Leaf shutters rock for quiet, smooth operation. Great synch times too if that's your thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah Smith View Post
    Well, if I go the SLR route again, I will definitely be getting a model with MLU at this point!
    Interesting thought about leaf shutters vs focal plane; I hasn't thought of that angle on it before.
    Jed
    The XD11 had a seriously dampened mirror system, one of the best.
    Canon f1N & Leica SLR's also.
    The absolute necessity of having MLU becomes more important with Macro/micro photography, not general usage.
    Though I'm not a fan of AF cameras, the Contax G2 is about as good as it gets.
    Comfortable size & weight and excellent lenses. Won't break the bank to get a body & a lens or two.
    It fails if you like to use a long lens or do macro work. So do Leica M's
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    Hi John,
    Thanks for that info. Maybe that is why I liked the XD-11 so much? I shot everything from a wedding to landscapes on that camera...wish I never had sold it! (But ah...when you need money)
    Anyway, I once took a shot of my daughter in a camping tent with that XD-11 and Minolta 50mm f1.4 lens hand held at 1/8 second shutter speed. Amazingly, it is sharp! Not as sharp as a tripod would have done, probably, but enough for a decent 8x10. Guess I got lucky...but perhaps that is a testament to the well dampened mirror? Wish it had MLU anyway, though.

    OK, after looking at prices and really sitting down thinking about it, I'm pretty much torn between getting an XD-11 and some good Minolta Rokkor primes again or trying the Contax G2. Only bummer about the G2 is I'm limited to a 90mm tele.
    I rarely used to shoot anything but the 24 - 100mm range with my SLR, but now that I live in Ventura, I've thought about doing some surfing shots, and I'd need some reach for that!
    Thanks for all the help everyone! If you can think of other stuff I should consider, please let me know. I've got the money saved up now for the rest of the darkroom gear I need, and if all goes well, maybe I'll drive down to Freestyle Photo on Monday.
    Jed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah Smith View Post
    Hi John,
    I rarely used to shoot anything but the 24 - 100mm range with my SLR, but now that I live in Ventura, I've thought about doing some surfing shots, and I'd need some reach for that!
    With the price of film bodies being what it is nowadays, there's no reason not to get a rangefinder *and* an SLR body to use with long lenses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rol_Lei Nut View Post
    Which Nikon camera? Again, the F & F2 had notoriously undampened shutters & mirrors. Also My FM & FE2 have more "kick" than average.

    Leaf shutters definitely (usually) cause less movement.

    Like SLRs, also rangefinder cameras undoubtedly have more or less dampened shutters.

    There are some SLRs which come close to rangefinders as far as vibrations are concerned. Needs to be looked at on a model by model basis (and condition - the need for a CLA, could also play a role).
    Well, I didn't want to say it, but it's my D700. The fact that it's digital should have no bearing on mirror-slap issues, though I generally refrain from discussing digital cameras on this forum. I never noticed mirror-slap with my F100 under similar shooting situations, but then I couldn't try it both ways and pixel-peep like I can with digital.
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    I think at this point most of us have at least used a digital, so no big deal. It's just that we prefer film or analog process for one reason or another.
    Do you think the D700 is lighter than your F100 and has less mass to combat the mirror vibration or anything like that? Or maybe it's just the way they made the mechanism internally that isn't quite as good at reducing the "thwack" when it lifts?

    Also at Keith - thanks for clarifying that for me on the rangefinder / long shutter speed issue. It is starting to make a lot of sense. I've got to decide if the abilities of the rangefinder outweigh the ease of use I've come to have with an SLR.
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    Re: Does "no mirror" really = sharper negs?

    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms
    When I went from the F5 to the F100 I thought MLU would be an issue... it has not been. The mirror damping on the F100 is very good
    Thank you, just moved over to a F100 and enjoyed the damped sound of shutter/mirror
    Was thinking of buying a F5 'cause it's MLU, but reading this doesn't encourage me anymore to do so

    Anyone who can add to the list 35mm SLR's with MLU?

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    please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmimac View Post

    Anyone who can add to the list 35mm SLR's with MLU?
    While not exactly MLU, the various Nikon FM/FE series cameras (and possibly others) raise the mirror and close the diaphragm when the self-timer is started.

    This is effectively MLU, at least for subjects where catching the decisive moment isn't important...
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    MLU cameras:Pentax KX,LX(?) Nikon F/F2, Nikkormat FTN/FT2, Canon FTb/F1, Minolta SRT101.
    Probably more but these are four commonly available cameras. I don't remember if the OM1 had MLU or not, but don't believe it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Koehrer View Post
    I don't remember if the OM1 had MLU or not, but don't believe it did.
    The OM-1 was the only Olympus OM model with mirror lock up, which combined with its size and weight made it sought after among astrophotographers.

    Leica R6/R6.2 have mirror lock up. If you flick the top of the shutter release on a Leica SL with a finger tip, it will lock up the mirror without firing. Not sure if this works on the SL2. I can make it work consistently on an SL.

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