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    I've got 2 fed2's and several Argus C3's. They all have their quirks but once you get used to them, they're fine. Nobody mentions which one fits your face. These two makes fit mine, and both have excellent lenses. Telephotos and w/a's are easier to find for argus C3's however.

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    If you are used to your Dad's M6 you will be spoilt.

    The cheapest M body is a beaten up M4-2, not as nice as a M2 (or a M6) but still fast handling, don't bother with a service us it until it breaks badly.

    For a lens I'd get

    for a 35mm a CV pan or classic in LTM f/2.5, no detectable difference at /5.6
    for a 28mm a CV LTM f/3.5, again no detectable difference at /5.6, and you can push your luck down to f/4 - depth of field means f/2.8 is real difficult.

    These 28mm CV are more difficult to get.

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    Saving even more money........
    A Canon body and LTM lenses. Your film won't mind. Your wallet will be grinning.
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    When I got a sudden need for a fast longish lens and accurate focussing in low light - and a noiseless camera - I got a Voigtländer Bessa T and a Jupiter 80mm f:2. I added an Industar 61 L/D 55mm f:2.8 for outdoors work..
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    I had the same choice a little while ago, went for the ZI, and don't regret it for a second. Zeiss service has been awesome, and it gets admiring glances all over the place. My brother has a Leica M6 and I probably prefer the ZI, not sure I'd say the same for a Bessa. I think the Voigtlanders look like great cameras though, and if you can spend the savings on a great lens, it maybe the Bessa is for you. In fact, if I broke the ZI, I'd probably take a look at the Bessa cameras, they're inexpensive enough to maybe consider getting two for the different frame lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venchka View Post
    Saving even more money........
    A Canon body and LTM lenses. Your film won't mind. Your wallet will be grinning.
    Hi Wayne

    I prefer a Canon P to a M, cheaper and faster handling for street shooting. But you use M5s still? SInce LTM CV lenses were available the Canon P have increased in price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xmas View Post
    Hi Wayne

    I prefer a Canon P to a M, cheaper and faster handling for street shooting. But you use M5s still? SInce LTM CV lenses were available the Canon P have increased in price.

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    i like the P as well, except for the fact that you can't use M-mount lenses on it. Whereas a M-mount body can take LTm lenses, so a M body is more versatile.

    Another vote for a meterless M. If you can afford a new Bessa, you can afford a user M2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasw_ View Post
    i like the P as well, except for the fact that you can't use M-mount lenses on it. Whereas a M-mount body can take LTm lenses, so a M body is more versatile.

    Another vote for a meterless M. If you can afford a new Bessa, you can afford a user M2.
    No not when you are on a budget and street shooting, even ignoring your optimism about maintenance, & reliability.
    An (any) M is slower to reload than a P, If you are getting a M2 you may need the quick load kit..
    If you are street shooting then you need depth of field so you will be using f/5.6 with a 35mm maybe f/4 with a 28mm, - at most The CV lenses (except tor the f/1.1, ansd /1.4 35mm and 40mm, and the fast 75mm) are all available in LTM, 2nd hand they are modern lenses and a match the modern Leica lenses, note Leica don't make a 12mm.
    The LTM lenses are cheaper then the M lenses...
    A P is 50% of the price on an M2 in same condition...
    The only real snag is the maintenance costs of a M2 and Canon P will be the same, except the P long term will be or will tend to be more reliable.

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    Shooting with an external meter is not as fast as an integral meter (although it may be more accurate). That's something to try before deciding on a camera like an M2 or M3 compared with the ZI or the Bessa.

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    What camera body you will buy is of less importance. Just buy what your budget can handle.
    But it is wise to invest in good 'glass'. Top-quality lenses give you good quality images and last a life time.
    ....took the red pill, and just buckled up....

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