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    Im in Ny so will be at b and h tomorrow hopefully seeing these two and feeling which one feels right.
    The other thing is everywhere I look online they are sold, anyone know where people have these in stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    if you use non Kodak film , you will ruin the results , I am strongly believe this.

    Umut
    That's why Ara Güler, who's been using Ilford HP5, has produced only poor pictures..

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    Zeiss vs Leica

    Try popflash in California-they have a lot of stuff from Zeiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.veng.smith View Post
    Im in Ny so will be at b and h tomorrow hopefully seeing these two and feeling which one feels right.
    The other thing is everywhere I look online they are sold, anyone know where people have these in stock?
    As I originally tried to relate, its not the camera but the lens that matters.
    A good photographer can take good pictures with just about anything.
    When you get into subjective concerns such as camera feel and other esthetics, you have left photography and entered the realm of the enthusiast and collector.
    These are two different worlds and until you gain some experience in actually producing good photographs, the subtle differences in cameras won't mean much to your final product.
    Decide on a focal length, aperture and price you can afford, pick a lens and then pick the body to go with it. Don't agonize over lens graphs and particulars as they mean little in the real world. Modern lenses are well designed and take very good pictures.
    But have a good time at it anyway.-Dick

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    I had a hard time deciding why NOT to get a Zeiss Ikon they really are a great deal for the price and have that huge viewfinder and AE mode which is great but i still ended up settling for the M6TTL. The way i saw it was i was always going to lust for the Leica so why not just buy it. Ive learnt if you really want something you may as well just get it because eventually you will anyway haha, providing you have the $$$ of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    Go to Art Galleries and see the Leica shots from original prints. You will be attracted.
    Noone reached the optical engineering mathematics and glass research knowledge as Leica.
    In my belief , older the Leica better the Leica. Dont waste your money to modern Leicas , buy a series III and a Summar , Summitar , Elmar , Summaron , Hektor , Telyt and you will reach the top of RF mountain.
    You will invest 1/10 price and get 10x quality.
    If you dont believe me , look at how people dressed like at 30s and 70s. After WW2 , all quality dropped.
    Old Leicas are made by elegant people for elegant people.
    Its sad , now old Leitz sold at corners like a Potato.
    You cant see the details and quality of Leica at a LCD screen also.
    Before investing thousand , invest 100 dollars and buy photography books and magazines .
    If you are not a human photographer , you wont use its capacity , if you use non Kodak film , you will ruin the results , I am strongly believe this.

    Umut
    Good to know.
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    The OP simply wants to be informed about the possible choices in an insightful way and correctly. To elevate simple things to "religious" levels would not help him in anyway.

    Regarding Summitar; I have three samples, one is with straight aperture blades (older version but coated) the others are with spherical hexagonal aperture blades. Compared to the two DR-, one version 4 and one version V (w. focusing tab) Summicrons 50/2.0, the Summitars are slightly inferior at the center, grossly inferior around edges at all apertures starting from f2.0. Contrast: Summitars are lower at any aperture.

    HP5: Since 1963 I have been using Ilford hi-speed films starting with the HP3, then the HP4 and finally the HP5 series besides Tri-X too. They are wonderful films.. even HCB was using the same since the introduction of the HP3 until he retired.

    Regarding the ZI and MP he was considering: I am sure he would love the finder of the ZI, so bright and easy to use with eyeglasses too. However the MP shines from the quality point of view as well as mechanically. IMHO, no need to buy a new MP since slightly used ones sometimes surface with half of the price of the new.

    Finely used and CLA'd M2s, M3s and M4s also could be recommendable choices for anyone who can afford as they last long years between service intervals. A Digisix or Sekonic can complement these classical models with low cost, making them attractive even for beginners.

    Regards,

    Bob

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