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Georg, this recalls to my mind that Paulus, the General who was leading the VI Army toward Stalingrad, actually participated in one of those military exchanges with the Soviet in previous years.
I went to Wikipedia for a quick check but didn't find information about this. I more or less recall having seen on a TV documentary that the Soviet had a high esteem of him as they had known him during this peace-time military collaboration.
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Yes, the events timeline around the war is, at best, tricky..
Wikipedia could be edited by anyone with computer and Internet connection, so its a wild goose chase to count on the Wiki
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 Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac
In 15 years , Russia sent first satellite , first man and woman to space and built the hydrogen bomb and A Bomb. They did not disassamble the rockets from Zeiss factory , did they ? I think Russian friends may object this.
First dog, first humans. OK what do the bombs have to do with this? The technology for the bombs was "borrowed" from the US.
WRT photo stuff, the Japanese were doing OK with the industry prior to WWll maybe not as good as the Germans, but neither was anyone else.
A motorcyclist is the only one who understands why a dog rides with it's head out the window.
"I had an idea once, it died of loneliness"--George
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Originally Posted by John Koehrer
First dog, first humans. OK what do the bombs have to do with this? The technology for the bombs was "borrowed" from the US.
WRT photo stuff, the Japanese were doing OK with the industry prior to WWll maybe not as good as the Germans, but neither was anyone else.
Some of the technology was "borrowed from the U.S." but the means of delivering the weapon was obtained from the German scientists and engineers who were very quickly captured by special units of the US Army who were set up for the purpose, as the Russians did as well, and as soon as they were captured they were sent to the US, or the USSR
The Germans technology in WW11 in this and many other fields was at least ten, if not twenty years ahead the allies and their expertise in ballistic missiles was urgently required by both powers because at that time there was a real and imminent danger of another war between the USA and the USSR , this was also the origins of both countrys space programmes, so it was really down to if the captured Germans the US had were better than Germans the Soviets had. 
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I might add (but do not insist on that), a bit broader than just US and USSR..
Anyone remembers those events and who attended, supposedly?
Cairo Conference (codenamed Sextant) - November 22–26, 1943
Tehran Conference (codenamed Eureka) - November 28 and December 1, 1943
Yalta Conference (codenamed Argonaut) - February 4–11, 1945
Potsdam Conference (codenamed Terminal) - 16 July to 2 August 1945
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Hi
The Axis nations surrendered unconditionally to end WWII, {which they also seem to have started}. There were then reparations, e.g. the USA got e.g. Axis patents as reparations, they were then at liberaty to let Japanese to use them freely, rather then asking for monies for their use.
They also introduced Deming's methods (developed during WWII) to the Japanese industries.
The Soviets exploded the first 'Hydrogen' bomb, earlier USA H tests were not deployable. The had the 1st satellite and 1st man in orbit. Earlier they had to contain the blitzkrieg the hard way with total mobilisation, and scorched earth.
They were only able to 'blitz' the panzer army when the USAAF damaged the German refernies and synthetic oil plants, this also aided the Normandy brdgeheads as well.
The soviets had been making successful Leica II copies from 1933 or so, (the Fed) they might have ignored some Leitz & Zeiss patents. Some people still use NKVD Feds.
Leitz revamped their design post WWII the M3 (&M2) to get some patent protection, Zeiss's IIa (and IIIa) did not sell well by comparison. Leitz had not been torn in two... Neither Zeiss nor Leitz were able to sell SLRs in volume. Thei last was not because the Japanese has free access to the German SLR patents - there were some- merely the Germans could not compete, they could not spell Deming - is a simplistic view point.
The Japanese built & marketed better & cheaper cameras.
Noel
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"The Japanese built & marketed better & cheaper cameras"., That's true but mainly after WW11 when the American Government invested billions of dollars in rebuilding Japanese industry, ensuring they had the most up to date plant and tools, and teaching them American mass production techniques that the West later had to compete with.
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Originally Posted by benjiboy
.. but mainly after WW11 when the American Government invested billions of dollars in rebuilding Japanese industry.
Every one was 'offered' money...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan#Repayment
some people were expected to refuse it, some people did not understand that their factories were from Walt Disneys Snow white and the 7 dwarfs...
Noel
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Japan built the biggest aircraft carriers of all history ever seen. Did they do it with German scientists or american money ? Come on Benji , We know England is USs small dog , You dont need to tell these foolish
stories to us , nobody is fool here.
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@ Noel - good that You put offered in quotes. the Marshall Plan was a demon with many faces, depending on the angle You look at it 
@ Ben - Yes, especially around the Korean War, Japan came to be seen as an important ally of the US government. History have always had a decent sense of humor, so the cards are being shuffled again.
@ Umut - I understand what You mean, there is no doubt that our photo buddies from UK and the west part of the globe are trying to be politically and poetically correct.
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