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    Quote Originally Posted by guitstik View Post
    You just don't get it, do you.
    Perhaps, but I get it that your ideology influencing your opinion regarding lenses, as well as turning this forum into an outlet for expressing your political views, while I would assume most of the apugers would be more
    interested in the substantive discussion regarding KMZ lenses, IMHO
    Multum egerunt, qui ante nos fuerunt, sed non peregedunt.

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    As an addendum to our 'Dear Moderator': I have never experienced an inferior Soviet lens.

    Perhaps some will assert that that affirmation defines my political ideology but, no, it really defines my ability to assess acutance. I deflect assertions that pre-suppose technical inferiority as an affirming complement to personal political distastes. That applies to both left and right.

    In sum, Dear Moderator earned his keep today. - David Lyga
    Last edited by David Lyga; 01-04-2012 at 08:53 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    As an addendum to our 'Dear Moderator': I have never experienced an inferior Soviet lens.

    Perhaps some will affirm that that affirmation defines my ideology but, no, it really defines my ability to assess acutance. - David Lyga
    The lenses I got to use with my Kiev are beyond reproach. Really excellent. The camera however...

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    The engineering with the Soviet rangefinders was rather good but the quality control was beyond belief and sporadic. A few good ones made it through. - David Lyga

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    There is a guy called the "range safety officer" who has a button that can destroy the rocket if it doesn't get back on course. That's me.
    Go on then. I like a good explosion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Go on then. I like a good explosion.


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    I think the rocket ditched in the ocean right from the start... with intend! You know, it wasn't Soviet build... only Soviet design Soyuz rockets carry humans to outer space these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    The engineering with the Soviet rangefinders was rather good but the quality control was beyond belief and sporadic. A few good ones made it through. - David Lyga
    I don't recall who made this observation, but I thought it was appropriate.

    In much the same way that the Japanese Contax were German engineered cameras manufactured in Japan the Kievs and FEDs were German cameras manufactured in the FSU. So as you point out, the engineering was good, but the quality was spotty.

    There was no quality control to speak of. I have a few very nice ones that were made nice by Eddy Smolov for me. I have no clue how many carcasses he robbed for good parts to make them that way, and the dioper arm on one is just screwed down and frozen so it can't get fubarred again.

    I guess I can say that for me the quality program was in Brooklyn!!
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    I think something wrong against soviet cameras. Big portion of APUG prefers Leicas , Hasselblads , Linhof , Rollei but when it comes to FSU cameras they wait miracles from 50 dollar Zorki. If you can try a Anamorphic Square Front 21 mm LOMO lens for 25000 dollars and see how soviet products work !
    Trying to make a goal from cheapest product and compare with most expensive , is not IQ driven.
    If you compare with japanese goods , there is no equivalent of sony , panasonic in usa also.

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    I think it's a great joke....

    Along with what Umut says, have you ever had a Sovtek guitar amp? Built like tanks, powerful, well made, reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holmburgers View Post
    have you ever had a Sovtek guitar amp? Built like tanks, powerful, well made, reliable.
    I use their valves (tubes) in some of the stuff I make but I didn't know they made amps.

    EDIT: Or perhaps I did and had forgotten. After getting Mr Google to show me some pictures, I do recall seeing them before.

    An amp like that is something anyone can make using garden shed based technology.


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