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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    I think something wrong against soviet cameras. Big portion of APUG prefers Leicas , Hasselblads , Linhof , Rollei but when it comes to FSU cameras they wait miracles from 50 dollar Zorki. If you can try a Anamorphic Square Front 21 mm LOMO lens for 25000 dollars and see how soviet products work !
    Trying to make a goal from cheapest product and compare with most expensive , is not IQ driven.
    If you compare with japanese goods , there is no equivalent of sony , panasonic in usa also.
    Cheap does not mean malfunctioning. Poor assembly + a total lack of maintenance for decades = a pile of junk. In most cases, $50 is too expensive for what it worth.

    Don't get me wrong: I love soviet cameras (I own and use half a dozen) but most have to be rebuilt to work correctly and it costs way more than $50. Are you willing to pay $350 to get a Kiev or a Zorki totally CLAs???

    Take care.

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    I am living not distant from Russia and I bought many Soviet cameras at 80s and 90s. I think Russian mafia is sending the junk cameras to America. I can get it perfect condition for 100 or less dollars here.

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    Mustard, you should go into business then selling the good FSU cameras you get ahold of, you'd make a killing. I would love to have a few of these cameras but I have been turned off by the horror stories I have heard. There is no denying that they have a cult following but I can't afford to join a cult. If you can get your hands on some good quality pieces at reasonable prices let me know and I will buy.
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    You know guys: the "not focussing because of a subversive element" was a joke, a play on words: the English language is full of them.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Someonenameddavid View Post
    You know guys: the "not focussing because of a subversive element" was a joke, a play on words: the English language is full of them.....
    Lost in translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Someonenameddavid View Post
    You know guys: the "not focussing because of a subversive element" was a joke, a play on words
    Quote Originally Posted by Someonenameddavid View Post
    Well, you see, being communist there's always a subversive element
    Yes, but the rest of the world doesn't understand why Americans think communist equals subversive!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Yes, but the rest of the world doesn't understand why Americans think communist equals subversive!


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    Americans toss around a lot of words without really knowing what they mean. I see it pretty much on a weekly basis at least.

    I bought my Kiev from one of the outfits that go over them for a premium. It still broke. I should figure out something to use the lenses on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Yes, but the rest of the world doesn't understand why Americans think communist equals subversive!
    I would have to point to the last 60 years of US history & culture, following WWII, as for why Americans think communism equals subversive.

    Cold War, Korean War, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam... what else am I missing?

    What I mean is that starting with the baby-boomers, communism has been the "evil" force in the world as seen by Americans, and propagated in US politics, news & culture. And it's not over yet... the boogie man never goes away!

    There's this billboard on I-70 near Junction City, KS (home to a big military base, Fort Riley, think Custer...) that has a large looming picture of Obama with the words, Wannabe Marxist Dictator. (ah, here it is)

    So you see what we're working with here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Please explain.
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    Only Humans can explain their behavior, Please Explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    Americans toss around a lot of words without really knowing what they mean. I see it pretty much on a weekly basis at least.

    I bought my Kiev from one of the outfits that go over them for a premium. It still broke. I should figure out something to use the lenses on.
    Think Voigtlander...

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