No RZ items, but, ironically enough, I have a number of RB items purchased from KEH in BGN condition. All of them work great, one of the bodies is a little rough, the other items are generally prettier than I would have expected. I generally buy BGN from them unless it feels like the difference is not enough. I would buy the EX 50mm RZ lens because the BGN is not enough cheaper, for example.
Originally Posted by kodachrome64
Just keep in mind that both models earned their keep as professional equipment and many are high-mileage, worked-to-death veterans with issues. I only see the occasional RZ kit that was amateur shot; the rest are ex-pro gear. On balance, RB Pro S and Pro SD bodies seem to hold up better than the cracked and crunched Rzs with sketchy electronics friends keep showing me. They're both great system cameras but their job histories, rather than model alone, can make a huge difference. Caveat emptor, as usual.
Originally Posted by EdSawyer
This is an example of what I was trying to find out (and really my exact thought process). My line of thinking was that, aside from the initial investment in the camera bundle ($250-350), I would be spending about the same money on lenses and accessories that are newer and widely considered to be better. I don't really care about the battery issue and don't especially value an all-mechanical camera. I'm fine with the regular 6x7 back so that's a non-issue.
Originally Posted by EdSawyer
The applicable downsides that have been brought up are unfamiliarity with the equipment and basing a job off of new equipment that may or may not be working properly. If I have sufficient time to play with it before using it for the job I don't think those two will be issues. If there is a problem, I can rent a 50mm RB lens from Dallas Camera per David's suggestion below.
Great idea David...I have never used them before. Perhaps even renting a 50mm lens for this job would be a good idea anyway.
Originally Posted by David Brown
Thanks everyone for your responses. I may seem like I asked a question that I wanted a certain answer to, but I do value the responses and collective knowledge here. Aside from any general concerns about doing jobs with unfamiliar equipment, are there any other issues that may be a factor in deciding whether or not to switch to the RZ system from RB?
you are already familiar with your camera ...
the worst thing is to be unfamiliar with a camera you are
using for a job, it kinda looks unprofessional ...
get the wide lens, the good one for the camera you own now, and
after the job then after you get paid, get the rz ...
just remember that often times KEH ratings are cosmetics, not operation
... i have never had problems but others seem kind of upset ...
( you can search here under KEH to see stories ... so getting a new/used
camera, and then having it konk out while you are using it is pretty bad too :( )
have fun !
Well the RB is fully mechanical, with the timing in each lens, with the RZ you have required electronics that need power to function. The RB will function as long as you can machine fine parts for the lenses and make your own film or get a digital back for it .....ie: hundreds of years to come..maybe forever.
I would stick with the RB unless you have "extra" money you don't really need.
I recently bought a bgn rz67 (and a bgn toyo 45aii--big spender!) from keh. The rz67 arrived in better condition than the toyo, with one knob showing major brassing but the rest is in essentially excellent condition. Functionally, it seems perfect, with the occasional weird quirk but nothing so far that isn't likely ascribed to user error.
I love the rz67, but may have to sell it to finance the ridiculous expense of shooting large format. I've never used the rb67, though.
I can post some photos tomorrow if you want to see what a keh bgn camera looks like. I imagine every camera from keh is different, though--luck of the draw.
Of the three lenses I have (110mm f2.8; 65mm f4 m-la; 50mm f4.5 uld), the 65mm is the sharpest and the only lens for which a direct optical corollary is available for the rb67 (the 65mm kl). That said, the 110mm is impressive wide open and the 50mm is no slouch, either: wonderful corner to corner, but still not quite as sharp as the 65mm, though it's very, very close.
I really like the rz67 and recommend it if you keep shooting film, but I imagine the value of the rz67 and its lenses will only continue to plummet, sad thought it makes me to admit it. And if I had the money of course I'd prefer a Hasselblad for its smaller size and super cool Ziess lenses, but I don't have the money.
I see 50mm lenses for sale on KEH in BGN for less than an RZ setup. Besides the RB stuff is much sturdier n easier to repair plus you already have one.
Go get a 50mm, you'll love it to death!
Sure, some pictures of your rig would be great if you get a chance. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Originally Posted by Policar
Maybe I missed this--BUT what does the RZ get you that the RB doesn't other than the ability to put a battery in the camera. I have shot a RB for 10 years and the camera body has never failed to deliver. Good old mechanical simplicity. Some have stated that the RZ lenses are better, which on paper may be true but there has never been a softness problem with the RB lenses I use. (50mmC, 90mmC, & 250mmC)
I say just get a 50mmC and keep using the RB it is a tried and true workhorse of a camera. Bang for the buck.
RZ gets you the 110/2.8 and the 50 ULD - in my opinion both valid reasons to get one! It's also a little lighter, doesn't require regular shutter CLAs and you can use the AE prism if that's your thing.
Originally Posted by 23mjm