I haven't done a search yet but some of you might know where I can get 8in.x? rolls of paper so I can print the negs I have. Freestyle might have it. I would really like to print these somehow. The historical society in San Diego might be interested in seeing what I have. Not for profit of course but just to let others see the images.
Originally Posted by Wade D
I worked with an outfit that used one for group portraits. This was back in the 1960s. It used big rolls of Verichrome Pan. Negs were contact printed, of course. We had a dark room guy who got started printing an order of several hundred. He did not lock the contact printer completely on one end. The boss had to trash a whoooooolllllle lot of prints that were slightly unsharp at one end. Boss told stories of wiseguys who would stand at a spot until the camera panned by him, then beatfeet it further on and get in the picture twice. We souped the film in a ceramic deep tank sunk partially in the floor, in Permadol developer.
Till a few years ago kodak put out a printed "professional products" catalog that had all the weird stuff in it and was fairly complete. As digital took over they dropped it, along with a lot of the products. Most of the stuff still available could be found online though. But it was downhill from there. I can't find anything on their website now and you can contact whatever they call the professional products division now and hope you get someone that might have a vague idea about the product you are looking for and whether they still sell it. Last time I heard portra 160nc 10" x 6' cirkut film was available by the roll, but they don't make it easy to figure it out. You have to hunt it down.
By removing or hiding your products list online, and not publishing it anywhere, you pretty much are taking away the demand for it as no one knows you are selling it. My only conclusion is they want to not sell these products anymore. It's sad to see kodak destroy their own market, but they clearly are either completely inept or making a conscious decision to shrink the specialty film market. I can't even easily figure out what aerial film is being made. I'm assuming it's a conscious but stupid marketing decision. Wouldn't it be smart though to have a complete online products list. I can't believe it would be that hard to maintain. Anyway, hope color cirkut film is still made. If so, I wonder how much longer.
Kodak 160 NC , 10''x6' roll, catalog #847 0940. I just bought some a few months ago. Ordered through Glazer's in Seattle, although you can get it through any Kodak professional products dealer. It took only a few days, so I believe that Kodak keeps this product in stock. It is a real tragedy how these products are being killed through a deliberate process of withholding information.
I bought a Cirkut #10 in July 2008, from Kenneth Snelson. It came well reccomended by at least a couple people here on this site. I've shot about 8-10 images with it, including one at a motorcycle rally in Duluth MN with about 1,000 people in the image. Setting up and shooting such a scene is one of the most amazing photographic experiences I've had in my life, combining drafting and composition and photography skills all into one. Also coaching skills, as I had 3 assistants for that shot, and basically coached them an hour ahead of time, and laid out the shot, as we had just 15 minutes to get all the people into place at 4:00 PM.
Here's a rough pic of the result. The colored version is several d*g* images, stitched; b/w is Cirkut:
And here's the very cool sales pitch from the Aerostich catalog:
I'm a newbie at Cirkut stuff, so at this point that's the climax of my Cirkut experience. But had been reading about the subject for a couple years before buying one. Seems to me there's about 1-2 Cirkut photogs using them in states east of the Mississippi, and fewer than that in states west of the Mississippi. But that's just a guesstimate on my part.
There have been a couple of professional school group companies still shooting cirkuts, hence the continued availability of film. Don't know the status now, but kodak will only be selling the 10" color if there is profit in it, though I heard at one time the profit was in the paper they sold these companies, to make the hundreds of prints each school bought, multiplied by the many schools shot. So the profit was in the paper, but the film was needed to shoot the photos. I think there are a few more shooters for now than that, but they are just doing it on their own and off the radar.
Where do you get 10" Portra processed?
I found that Ilford makes 8in. x 250ft. rolls for about $75.00. More than I need for the few Cirkut negs I have but I can always cut some 8x10's out of the roll. Or I could make a crazy big pinhole camera to make some panoramas. No end to the creative uses of a long roll of paper.
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Originally Posted by panoramic
Long time. What's going on? I'm now in Salem, OR. Am retired and doing some work with the D700 and machine shop.
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There is another 10" Cirkut on ebay. Looks to be complete, with Portra 160 film and other stuff. Wants $2899. :(