I for one am not complaining
Originally Posted by Tom Kershaw
In the summer, if most people clear off and leave me with a people-less landscape as the light improves - then great :)
Gavins 11:00pm is a bit more hard core than I can manage :blink:
Winter time is more difficult - the days are so short - so a big breakfast and then a late lunch at about 4~ish - just as everyone else is packing up to go home.
I thought (although I could be wrong) that most copies were Russian. If that is the case £399 is excessively high in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Diapositivo
There's Leica copies and then fakes :D
The copies are really the Fed, Zorki, Tower, Leonax, Canon, Yashica, Minolta, Reid etc all based around the early II & III series Leica's some more exactly than others..
The Leica fakes are the cleverly re-worked Fed'ss and Zorki's usually to become rarer Military marked WWII Leica's. These themselves are now beginning to be collectible but I don't think I'd pay more for a fake than a genuine Leica if the same vintage. MW Classic usually has a selection of screw thread Leica's at reasonable prices.
That's what I hinted at. Those fakes are not even allowed to be put on the market in some countries. A Fed, a Zorki labelled as Fed, Zorki, would not be termed "Leica copy" by a serious seller. A fake Leica, that is a Zorki with counterfeited Leica marks on it, should never be termed "copy" and sold at those prices with the hint that is a valuable collectable camera, maybe not a real Leica, but not less worth than an original Leica. The price which is asked is more than what would be normal for a proper original Leica III.
It should be labelled as a fake Leica, stressing it is actually a Zorki counterfeited as a Leica. Those cameras change hands for around €100,00 on eBay when they are in very good condition, no more than the Zorki they descend from.
Those "military" Leicas are actually "twice fake" as Leica never produced any special series for any German armed force. Frankly I find this quite unfortunate for a reputable seller, and I think it should be reported to the shop - by some happy customer with a good relation and knowledge of the of the correctness of the shop - the shop might be in good faith in not understanding how mispriced the item is (an inexperienced persons might have priced the item)
PS Somebody might think that any price might be asked by a seller and whatever price is agreed by seller and buyer is a legitimate price. I would agree in general, but certainly not when there is a counterfeited object on sale. If my father had bought that camera at that price, I would write here to cry scam (they even report the serial number, as if this was not counterfeited as well!).
Fabrizio, these fakes/copies are technically counterfeits, the term meaning they were designed to be sold and passed off as as genuine Leica's.
The best of these counterfeit Leica's have become collectible in themselves but it's a very small specialist "niche" market for these cameras. Some are far better modified than others, have been completely rebuilt to feel more like a Leica mechanically, I mean smoothness of action when used. I saw an article a year or two ago where it was mentioned that some are fetching higher prices than the genuine article.