Thanks all for the help. Jim I'm going to work on a camera, as I said the digital method just bogged me down, it's not that I couldn't master it but I sit too much already so I figure if I'm going to make a system from scratch might as well pick a size larger than 8x10. It struck me that 10X12 was a nice size to display. I hope your work is giving you some time to make prints, the prints you showed at the workshop were very stunning. Between you and Vaughn I've seen some excellent Carbon prints.