Right, I don't believe they're the same. The speed and color differences have me convinced.
Originally Posted by jgjbowen
After some more time to ponder the color - I'll say in my brew (and pre toner) the color was similar but different - warm but maybe slightly more olive toned. I'm not talking the old Azo green by any measure. Still predominantly warm but a HINT of the olive and after toning any sign of it was gone.
Originally Posted by Shawn Dougherty