went to my local pro-shop here in LA this afternoon, and asked about the new film. They said they're not expecting to see it before the spring most likely, mostly b/c Kodak still has massive stores of 400NC/VC to sell off before letting the new product out on the market.

however, Kodak said it will start SHIPPING in November, according to Photokina.

I just want this damn new stuff in 8x10.... but supposedly 4x5 will be the largest they'll cut it .