</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (c6h6o3 @ May 12 2003, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Thanks, Jorge. I&#39;ll try it. Good to know that Mike can mix for me. I&#39;ve been meaning to give it a shot for some time. The question, though, was asked in reference to ABC, the superiority of any other developer notwithstanding. If you want to know about ABC, Michael is the best source of information.

BTW, I&#39;ve developed hundreds of sheets of film and dozens of rolls of film in ABC pyro and I&#39;ve never had any problem with streaking. Not ever. Not even once. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well pyro, you must be the only one, I have it on good authority even Michael gets streaking once in a while.

As to Michael being the "authority" I guess I would qualify it as him being its most ardent proponent, but by no means he is the only one who knows about this developer. I also have worked with pyro for many years as well as many others on this forum, as a matter of fact I was reading a book yesterday which was given to me by a friend many years ago and it was published in 1946 by Dupont. In it are the "Defender" developers and the first one is ABC pyro.

Michael is very experienced and has used pyro and ABC for more than 30 years, and I agree his advice is very valuable, but on the other hand I am always surprised at the reaction him and his followers have when a person suggests and alternative which might be better. It is almost as if one is commiting heresy against the prophet for suggesting it. If the shoe had been on the other foot and Jay had asked about problems with Pyrocat HD I am sure you would not have had any complaints if anybody had mentioned ABC as an alternative.

So please, lighten up with the Michael and Paula bit, ok? it makes it very uncomfortable for other members and me when we cannot discuss anything else outside the way that is supposed to be with respect to the use of ABC, azo or amidol if it is not the "way" Michael said.

As to my suggestion to Jay to try Pyrocat HD it was done out of personal experience. I do brush developing, this technique yields the most even negatives that can be possibly obtained. I have been doing it for years and with many developers, and even with this technique I would ocassionally get streaking with ABC. So if you have never gotten any streaking, I am glad for you, but your experience is not common to many others who have used it and complain of this problem.

I respect Michael very much for what he has done in photography, but I have a hard time with fanatism. This is a public forum created precisely for the exchange of ideas and it bothers me and many other members in this forum when the subject of ABC/azo/Amidol is approached and any dissenting opinions or suggestions are motives for complaint because they do not follow the "approved" Michael and Paula method or that if Michael did not say it then it must be wrong.

I dont kow what tests Michael has done, but I have mixed ABC with phenidone, metol, hydroquinone as well as done many others tests with other pyro developers. I am sure many like Sandy King and others have done the same in search for the perfect developer, so to say that Michael is the best and one and only source of knowledge for ABC is inaccurate.

Well I will finish this rant by saying this is my opinon as a member of APUG NOT in my capacity as moderator.