Please, dont acuse me of asian bashing.. I didnt make any comment on whether the Japanese cameras were good. They obviously are or all the above mentioned list of german "has beens" wouldnt be in the position they are.

Thats myh point, they historically have ties.. similar marketing thrusts "german engineering", and all of them are behind.

Let me put if this way, if it was announced tommorow that all of the above have signed of on a new format, designed ground up for the next 100 years, where all backs and lenses would be compatible.. would you be excited?