thanks for that advice. ive been looking at kits to be honest as opposed to buying seperately. ive had a look at a few mamiya rb67's in the past 20 minutes or so and they look good. im still more drawn to the bronica thought for some reason haha!! its looking like 250-350 for a bronica sqa kit (80mm lens, back, body and prism/wlv) wherever im looking at the mo which is reasonable enough i guess.