I have a Leica Focomat IIc and a LPL7451. The Focomat IIc is just a dream to use. The only problem is that you canít use the plethora of used high quality lenses that exist as they wonít fit the lens mounting turret on the Focomat. The legendary Leica 100 Focotar costs a fortune used. A new lens from Kienzle is about the same money.