Quote Originally Posted by Someonenameddavid View Post
Fourthly Kievs are a crap shoot with the emphasis on crap.
Well...

Early Kievs arguably *are* Contaxes, made with the same machines, overseen by the same technicans and sometimes using parts made in Germany.

I had 2 Kievs which worked perfectly and sold only because I went the "M" route for ergonomic and practical reasons.

Undoubtedly there are many "Monday morning" Kievs out there, but also many good ones.