Dave, I'm signed up for Sandys carbon workshop. Just closed the deal on my 8x10 today and will have it there. I really would like to see the beast. I just picked up a hugo meyer plasmat 480 F5.6 with 830 F11 front. and a Georz berlin420 F5.6 Dogmar. Glass is pretty clean. I picked them up for longs on the 8x10 but research indicates I could go up to 20x24. Are ya drooling yet. I'm driving my dakota 4x4 from seattle area. I'm going to make time to shoot. Sunsets are late this far north. I plan on getting up into the mountains while there. Any body got a motor drive for a dorff?