[QUOTE=Doremus Scudder;1317838]
You don't open up from an incident shadow reading to "place" a shadow
agree so far

; that's what you do with a reflected-light meter
huh? you are saying to open up with a refected light meter to place a shadow? I presume that you want the shadow to be darker i.e., to "place" it lower on the scale of zones, well then, stop down from the metered value, not open up, reflective or incident.