Call and talk to Arthur from KEH. He knows what is newly in stock and not on the website yet. I have had excellent transactions with KEH in several transactions ranging from several thousand dollars to just a few used filters. Wolfeye, I can say your experience is Waaay different from mine! KEH grades equipment, particularly lenses, conservatively. I've bought several BGN lenses that appeared EXC to me. And, to back this up, I sent 3 BGN Pentax lenses from KEH to Eric Hendricksen from Pentaxrepairs.com along with a Pentax K1000 (that I bought off this apug classified forum) and he pronounced these "BGN" lenses EXC as well with no need for CLA. BTW, Eric did a great job on the K1000 CLA!