The problem with PN was that it went from a "hand off" forum that had flame wars almost every day, to a forum that would squash anything remotly controversial according to BM or BA. The problem was that neither BM or BA posted guidelines as to what was/was not allowed, so sometimes a good post would be deleted for whatever reason BM or BA had that nobody knew and some definitly bad posts would stay and go on and on and on.

IMO this was a bad move for them, they ruined their forums which was what I thought might get many of us to subscribe. Given their erratic behavior I stopped posting in PN years ago and have not missed it one bit. Heck I have not even visited the site in about a year.

As to the wich gun is more like a Leica, definitly a H&K P7 M13....loved that gun...