Quote Originally Posted by johnielvis View Post
no success yet with edwal toners--they are obviously not powerful enough in their bleaching action to get to the heavy silver content of the film (reversal tri-x)...

hell I took some regular tri x--no fix no reversal at all..just developed to black...the bleach doesn't seem to do anything to it....must use STRONGER bleaching then....looks like best is 2 step--bleach to silver ferrocyanide then dye that....the problem is bleaching...they show that you should put acetic acid for the bleachign--tried that with vinegar and it doesn't seem to help (edwal suggest adding acetic to speed up the process)...this stuff is too weak---I want tone to completion, so I need the quickest acting and most uncontrollable dye toning process there is...all the formulae for paper seem to be way too weak and designed to be slow so you can watch it and get it before it goes too far...I WANT it to go too far....back to the sink...

When you say you're going to make a stronger bleach... do NOT use any kind of strong acid with ferrocyanide, or ferricyanide for that matter, or Elvis will be leaving the building.