if Jerry kindly provided me with a link to his exchange with Pat, we might save this forum from a pointless reiteration of arguments that have already been beaten to death
After so many years I have no idea on which thread(s) the exchange occurred. Gainer's argument always returned to saying that it looked like catalysis. Of course looking like something is not the same thing a being the thing.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.