There was much that Burt could not reveal to his students due to the NDA with Kodak. He could guide and teach, but only within certain limits. The programs at Chiba in Japan were far deeper than those at RIT in the same time period. I knew both Burt and Dr. Kubo from Chiba, and the description that I had was that the MS program at RIT was about similar to the BS program at Chiba. In fact, Chiba had a PhD program in photographic science and engineering.