How about a 3/$4.80 Zeiss Nettar with a coated Novar lens, that's what I picked up about 2 months ago, and then there's the Ross Ensign 420 with no lens for 3.33 (with no lens) that happens to match the 2 Ross Xpres lens & shutter I'd bought a few weeks befire. So two excellent cameras for und $10

Ian