OK...tried again for the first time in a year...this time I used some kodak polycontrast I had and got a decent speed between EI 12 and 6...like 6ish...they are still drying now. So maybe this will actually be ok to do---they look very good---oh that's the ei fro human flesh to be "white"...which kind of blows out other light colored things--it's closer to ei 12 to 25 for "dark skin" the way properly exposed film looks with a blue filter
to get a "normal" looking white skin portrait, the speed is slower.
ANYWAYS, the reversals look fine--clean whites BUT the paper I have found...is fogged...all my olde paper...it is VERY old too...when I develop it with no exposure it turns grey--so this age-fogging makes it ok for reversals--I determined this AFTER I tossed the paper in the trash and turned onthe lights after testing a bunch of sheets and finding them all fogged...So--it looks like I could have used all that old paper for reversals just fine--the bleach step burns off the fog...oh well...it was like the age-fog pre-flashed it--I did not flash the paper with light.
SO...LEARN from my mistake--DONT TOSS what looks like bad fogged paper---USE IT FOR DIRECT REVERSAL!!!!
I'm going to buy NEW multigrade paper and see what I can get without pre-flashing.